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S'mae
Jan 3, 2014 21:08:05 GMT
Post by fred on Jan 3, 2014 21:08:05 GMT
Engels was a revolutionary from an early age; no capitalism here folks.
His dad was a capitalist but my dear departed dad was an industrial chemist; I am not.
I get the feeling you're a bright chap but your posts are worthy of a moronic EDL madman.
I suspect you have the intelligence and ability to be a worthy interlocutor but you really have to get past basic ideology and assume you're wrong unless winning in debate suggests otherwise.
In years gone by, I was a member of the labour party, a keen one as I loved the idealism set out in various left wing manifestos. However, I came to realise they had no merit because the basic principles were in error. The deeper I got within the local party structure and the more left wingers I met, the more I realised their ideals were totally unworkable because of those basic errors.
It's a lot like assuming 2+2=5 and building a mathematical theory around it.
I've a feeling you're posting bollocks because you, deep down, realise your principles are flawed but have spent so many years fighting for them, you don't want to change.
Dude, it's never too late to change and it would be foolish to continue with a flawed ideal when you know the truth.
As I note, I still love the ideology of the left but I won't have anything to do with it because it's ideology, not workable in reality.
That was greater than 10 words.
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S'mae
Jan 4, 2014 16:45:48 GMT
Post by iolo on Jan 4, 2014 16:45:48 GMT
Well I don't love any bloody ideology. Your system is buggered, and all of us with it because, as you know, it is destroying the world. What's to say except goodbye?
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S'mae
Jan 5, 2014 1:04:03 GMT
Post by fred on Jan 5, 2014 1:04:03 GMT
Well I don't love any bloody ideology. Your system is buggered, and all of us with it because, as you know, it is destroying the world. What's to say except goodbye? The system is abused by some because they want to make money and people are far too stupid to see they're being screwed. House prices going up at a rate that simply isn't sustainable so, a few years ago, we saw a crash where loads of people lost their shirts. EDIT - Actually, it isn't the system that's abused, just the foolish customers. The silly buggers just didn't see it coming. Now, what do we see? House prices going up again and silly buggers buying at inflated prices. The consumer credit companies are having a field day with greedy sods who must have that new 42" inch LED TV, a new car and all the trappings but have to use credit to satisfy their greed. These fools take on too much so can't afford the basics, so are unhappy. Of course, it isn't their fault for being greedy, it's all down to the capitalists. Come on, these customers are too stupid to allow out without a nurse. Personally, If I can't afford cash, I don't buy it. I have not a penny in debt and a fat salary so I have loads of disposable income and a large smile I keep on my amazingly handsome face. As to your post; your total inability to argue your point suggests you have no valid argument and you know you're wrong. Pity, I thought you were a bright guy but I may have been mistaken. Disappointing. |
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S'mae
Jan 14, 2014 18:24:32 GMT
Post by iolo on Jan 14, 2014 18:24:32 GMT
Awful for you! I am clearly a simple socialist with a fixed belief that thieves are thieves. Naïve of me!  |
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S'mae
Jan 15, 2014 12:39:02 GMT
Post by fred on Jan 15, 2014 12:39:02 GMT
Awful for you! I am clearly a simple socialist with a fixed belief that thieves are thieves. Naïve of me! Nothing makes you buy anything from capitalists. If you object so much, set up co-operatives and communes, where all share equally in everything. You could import and distribute everything you need and profit share, assuming you don't sell at cost price so you can be fair to the people, to all workers in the co-operative. You can be as inclusive as you like and hire uneducated people so you don't discriminate against idiots. Tell Asda to sod off and grow your own on collective farms. ..or just bitch on about how unfair capitalism is, because you're incapable of doing anything about it. And there we have socialism in a nutshell. Want everything but want to do nothing to get it. I wonder who steals what from whom. I'll tell you, it's socialists who do the grabbing - by the way, want another pay rise without any increase in productivity? |
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S'mae
Jan 17, 2014 17:37:02 GMT
Post by iolo on Jan 17, 2014 17:37:02 GMT
The fact that capitalists control everything and steal from everyone means you can buy from them or die, as you know. Communes and such are like monasteries, dependent on the thieves, as you know. Only working people TOGETHER can see off these thieving scoundrels, as you know. You steal, as you know, from us. Why not just go away and get on with it?
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S'mae
Jan 18, 2014 9:50:53 GMT
Post by fred on Jan 18, 2014 9:50:53 GMT
The fact that capitalists control everything and steal from everyone means you can buy from them or die, as you know. Communes and such are like monasteries, dependent on the thieves, as you know. Only working people TOGETHER can see off these thieving scoundrels, as you know. You steal, as you know, from us. Why not just go away and get on with it? There is absolutely nothing stopping you from buying a farm, growing your own and ignoring the world. Of course, you want a computer, a TV and all the other stuff, so you're buggered. North Korea claims to uphold communist ideals - defect. |
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