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Post by Admin on Aug 1, 2013 15:14:49 GMT
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 2, 2013 13:28:00 GMT
The Federal Reserve has literally "destroyed the value of money" in the United States. The "US Economy" it refers to is built upon the theft of the wealth of the American People.
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Post by bobbins on Aug 10, 2013 19:10:16 GMT
The Federal Reserve has literally "destroyed the value of money" in the United States. The "US Economy" it refers to is built upon the theft of the wealth of the American People. Theft is via the labour market and the extreme inequalities enabled by a neo-liberal economy. To blame the Federal Reserve is a political economic hogwash based on ignoring the real problems faced by the American peoples
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 11, 2013 9:49:41 GMT
The Federal Reserve has literally "destroyed the value of money" in the United States. The "US Economy" it refers to is built upon the theft of the wealth of the American People. Theft is via the labour market and the extreme inequalities enabled by a neo-liberal economy. To blame the Federal Reserve is a political economic hogwash based on ignoring the real problems faced by the American peoples Neo-liberalism is today generally associated with the Austrian economic philosophy and inappropriately associated with laizzez-faire capitalism. Laizzez-faire capitalism is mandated with the responsibility of ensuring the rights of the people which are violated by denial of equality of economic opportunity. Denial of equality of economic opportunity caused by economic discrimination, economic stratification, educational disparity, and social class are the "real problems faced by the American peoples" and neo-liberalism does indeed fail to address them. From my perspective neo-liberalism advocates crony capitalism and the Federal Reserve is just one of many components of crony capitalism.
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Post by bobbins on Aug 11, 2013 11:31:53 GMT
Neo-liberalism is today generally associated with the Austrian economic philosophy and inappropriately associated with laizzez-faire capitalism. Laizzez-faire capitalism is mandated with the responsibility of ensuring the rights of the people which are violated by denial of equality of economic opportunity. Denial of equality of economic opportunity caused by economic discrimination, economic stratification, educational disparity, and social class are the "real problems faced by the American peoples" and neo-liberalism does indeed fail to address them. From my perspective neo-liberalism advocates crony capitalism and the Federal Reserve is just one of many components of crony capitalism. First, neo-liberalism is much more than "associated with Austrian economic philosophy". The Austrians only have marginal influence, typically corrupting gullible right wingers with low brow internet offering. Neo-liberalism refers to an economic outcome, with the likes of the US distinct from standard liberal democratic capitalism. Second, there is no such beast as laissez-faire capitalism. It is merely an unachievable result in the economic spectrum.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 11, 2013 13:20:08 GMT
Neo-liberalism is today generally associated with the Austrian economic philosophy and inappropriately associated with laizzez-faire capitalism. Laizzez-faire capitalism is mandated with the responsibility of ensuring the rights of the people which are violated by denial of equality of economic opportunity. Denial of equality of economic opportunity caused by economic discrimination, economic stratification, educational disparity, and social class are the "real problems faced by the American peoples" and neo-liberalism does indeed fail to address them. From my perspective neo-liberalism advocates crony capitalism and the Federal Reserve is just one of many components of crony capitalism. First, neo-liberalism is much more than "associated with Austrian economic philosophy". The Austrians only have marginal influence, typically corrupting gullible right wingers with low brow internet offering. Neo-liberalism refers to an economic outcome, with the likes of the US distinct from standard liberal democratic capitalism. Second, there is no such beast as laissez-faire capitalism. It is merely an unachievable result in the economic spectrum. Laizze-faire capitalism is certainly utopian in that it assumes "all things are equal for all people" which is not the case and, as noted, that is the real problem faced by the American people. As with all utopian ideologies it doesn't imply that it might not be a goal to strive for but instead means that there are pragmatic considerations that must be understood and dealt with in attempting to approach the utopian goal. But this thread is not about economic philosophy in general but instead it's about the Federal Reserve and there is a fundamental problem with the Federal Reserve in that it is being "exempted" from contract law by our government. It issues promissory Federal Reserve Notes that under the statutory laws of the United States are redeemable in "lawful money" (which is species coinage currently defined under statutory law as American Eagle Legal Tender coins) but it has no intention of ever redeeming the promissory notes it issues and will not redeem them, nor will our government force the Federal Reserve to redeem them, on demand in accordance with statutory law and the laws of contract. Basically the Federal Reserve has created a monetary system based upon criminal fraud and that fraud results in the theft of labor by those that "store their labor" in "money" because we can't redeem the promissory notes for the money they promise.
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Post by bobbins on Aug 11, 2013 14:48:59 GMT
Laizze-faire capitalism is certainly utopian in that it assumes "all things are equal for all people" which is not the case and, as noted, that is the real problem faced by the American people. As with all utopian ideologies it doesn't imply that it might not be a goal to strive for but instead means that there are pragmatic considerations that must be understood and dealt with in attempting to approach the utopian goal. It is neither achievable or desirable. Its not even on a par with mythical perfect competition. At least 'perfect competition' enables comparison of market conditions (i.e. the means to isolate specific economic costs) There is no theft of labour through the Federal Reserve. There is only your dogmatic view over the Federal Reserve. Theft is generated through coercion within the labour market.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 11, 2013 16:05:16 GMT
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Post by bobbins on Aug 12, 2013 19:06:03 GMT
I would highly recommend reading the following I would highly recommend that you stopped with the nonsense and bothered with political economy. Fraud? Off you pop to the courts! We can refer to the theft in the labour market as there has been incomplete property rights, ensuring the delivery of economic rents. You're simply whinging about a monetary system that has been found to be highly successful.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 13, 2013 10:48:30 GMT
I would disagree.
When a bank (the Federal Reserve is a bank) refuses to fulfill it's contractual obligations to redeem the promissory notes it issues in accordance with the statutory laws of the nation and that results in a loss of over 97% of the purchasing power of the "dollar" then I would not call that a successful monetary policy.
I don't know how anyone can rationalize a loss of 97% of the purchasing power of the dollar as being a sound economic monetary policy especially when it's in direct violation of the statutory laws of the nation.
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Post by bobbins on Aug 13, 2013 19:36:56 GMT
And I wouldn't give two hoots! You're coming out with a dogmatic whinge about a monetary system, nothing more. There is no credible support for the fraud claim and, as I said, all you're doing is shying away from the real problem: workers do not receive the value of their labour.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 14, 2013 8:48:38 GMT
And I wouldn't give two hoots! You're coming out with a dogmatic whinge about a monetary system, nothing more. There is no credible support for the fraud claim and, as I said, all you're doing is shying away from the real problem: workers do not receive the value of their labour. Aw but I am addressing the real problem. Since 1933 when the Emergency Banking Act was passed (repealed in 1974) we, including Congress, have started to believe that a "promissory note" that was unredeemable under the law was "money" but it's not. Gold and silver (with platinum added more recently) are money and the US Mint still producing the Lawful Money of the United States. When Congress passes a law like the Federal minimum wage law the amount is set in "Dollars" and those are "silver dollars" (American Silver Eagle coins) being produced by the US Mint.
We have been brainwashed into believing that the "Title of Ownership" such as a car title is the same as the car but it's not. A one dollar Federal Reserve note promises redemption in one American Silver Eagle coin but we can't get that American Silver Eagle coin even though we hold "title" to it.
An American Silve Eagle today has over 21 times the purchasing power of a one dollar Federal Reserve note based upon the exchange rate. If we could redeem that one dollar Federal Reserve note for the one dollar American Silver Eagle coin it promises then the Federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr would have over $152.00 in purchasing power based upon the exchange rate. Of course Congress would never have passed a Federal minimum wage law that equated to over $152/hr in purchasing power but legally they did because a "dollar is a dollar" because its based upon the silver and gold coinage being produced by the US Mint and not the promissory notes issued by a private central bank.
To add to the problem with the Federal Reserve not complying with Title 12 that requires it to redeem Federal Reserve notes in gold and silver coins being produced by the US Mint it also refuses to comply with Title 31's requirements that it ensure that all forms of US legal tender have the same purchasing power based upon the denomination of the legal tender.
What we have happening is fraud of an unprecedented level and refusal of the Federal Goverment to enforce the laws of the United States when it comes to the Federal Reserve and that results on workers not being paid what their labor is truly worth but those that don't read the laws and understand them fail to see this.
Pay every US worker in gold and silver coins and we'd actually be overpaid and not underpaid. What part of that do people fail to understand?
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Post by bobbins on Aug 14, 2013 9:08:33 GMT
What we have happening is fraud of an unprecedented level... What we have is a foot stamping over the chosen monetary system in capitalism. That dogmatic reaction doesn't interest me. However, when you use it to hide from the genuine problems in the labour market (where property rights are not protected) then you deserve a good tutting!
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 14, 2013 10:51:43 GMT
What we have happening is fraud of an unprecedented level... What we have is a foot stamping over the chosen monetary system in capitalism. That dogmatic reaction doesn't interest me. However, when you use it to hide from the genuine problems in the labour market (where property rights are not protected) then you deserve a good tutting! There are numerous causes behind the economic plight of low and middle income workers and I'm the first to admit that. It doesn't help, for example, that the tax burden relative to income is far greater for low and middle income workers than it is for high income individuals. A self-employed individual pays over twice the federal taxes on $100,000 in net income than an investor with the identical net income pays in federal taxes. A low income worker in WA has over 14-times the tax burden relative to income when compared to a high income worker. This is a reflection of crony capitalism in the United States and it adversely affects the working class in America greatly diminishing their standard of living. I do address the Federal Reserve because it's "monetary" policies, that violate the statutory laws of the United States (but that are not enforced) is also greatly diminishing the standard of living for the poor and middle class. For examply for the last several years the Federal Reserve has driven interests rates to below 1% which does not reflect the "value of money" in a free market. While the "value of money" varies based upon the "market" it has traditionally been between 3.5%-5.5% in the United States. I recently found that it's about 15% when I was looking at purchasing property in Belize but that is a different market. Back to the United States we have retirees with they assets in secure investments like T-Bills that traditionally paid about 3.5% (the lowest rate of all secure investments because they're backed by the US government) but the Federal Reserved reduced the interest payments to less than 1% with "quantitative easy" by creating and issuing a Federal Reserve IOU for a US government IOU. This cut the income to retirees by at least 70% that has dramatically reduced their standard of living while also adversely affecting the recovery from the 2008 recession by dramatically reducing their consumption of goods and services. This Federal Reserve action has reduced the number of jobs as well as reducing wages because of the massive reduction in consumption by retirees because the Federal Reserve reduced their income from government securities by artificially reducing the interest rates. The GDP is less because about $1 trillion hasn't been spent by retirees because their income was reduced by the Federal Reserve's cutting of the interest rates to below the "market value" of money.
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Post by bobbins on Aug 14, 2013 18:44:38 GMT
It doesn't help, for example, that the tax burden relative to income is far greater for low and middle income workers than it is for high income individuals. Side issue! The biggest issue is that workers do not receive the value of their labour. That reflects the ability of employers to underpay. Crony capitalism is a lazy term. Capitalism will always lead to market concentration. It will always lead therefore to numerous agency and influence costs, with government interventionism then becoming key (i.e. capitalism requires government inefficiency) Only according to your dogma. You don't have anything more high powered
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