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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2013 9:59:40 GMT
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 5, 2013 19:01:06 GMT
Sadly this will be "preaching to the choir" as paleobiology provides the scientific evidence that evolution has actually occurred that later lead to the scientific theories of the mechanics behind evolution such as Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection which is the predominate theory today. It will not attract believers in 2000 year old superstitious myths of creationism held by those that simply can't comprehend modern science and the scientific method.
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2013 20:32:27 GMT
Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection Darwin and Wallace's Theory - let's give old Alfie his due!
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Post by dangermouse on Aug 6, 2013 0:17:29 GMT
I live near where he's buried.. His actual gravestone is a fossilised tree, and looks very phallic!
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Post by diuretic on Aug 6, 2013 10:03:10 GMT
"Melvyn Bragg and his guests discuss the work of Alfred Russel Wallace, a pioneer of evolutionary theory. Born in 1823, Wallace travelled extensively, charting the distribution of animal species throughout the world. This fieldwork in the Amazon and later the Malay Archipelago led him to formulate a theory of evolution through natural selection. In 1858 he sent the paper he wrote on the subject to Charles Darwin, who was spurred into the writing and publication of his own masterpiece." Really interesting podcast - www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01r9rxrInteresting also that not all religious authorities were upset with the scientific views - quite a number thought it was not an issue as it did nothing to threaten the Church's teachings on God. I think a few fundamentalists were upset though.
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Post by cenydd on Aug 6, 2013 11:07:20 GMT
Try this, if you haven't seen it before - comedian (and bird watcher and general fan of the natural world) Bill Bailey doing a 2-part documentary about Wallace, following in his footsteps: Wallace was born in Wales, and later lived and worked in the town of Neath, which is, as it happens, where my father came from (so it's a town I know very well) - he was a surveyor, and drew maps of the area (well enough that I could see from the field patterns exactly where my late grandmother's house is). He also designed this building, the former Mechanics Institute, in Neath: He's a bit of a 'local hero', although not as well known even around here as he should be. I never pass up an opportunity to remind 'Darwinists' about him, though!
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 7, 2013 12:33:28 GMT
Interesting also that not all religious authorities were upset with the scientific views - quite a number thought it was not an issue as it did nothing to threaten the Church's teachings on God. I think a few fundamentalists were upset though. It has always been interesting that Hebrew scholars have always typically held that the Torah, which is the Old Testament in the Christian Bible, were the writings of men about the Hebrew religion and that it contained human errors, parables and stories that were never to be taken literally. It was the Christians that invented the belief that it was the "Word of God" as opposed the the "Works of Men" which contracted what the Torah (Old Testament) has always been.
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Post by diuretic on Aug 8, 2013 0:49:10 GMT
I didn't realise the difference but that's very interesting. It seems that the Christian Bible (NT) is a text of revelation and the Torah a sort of collective human wisdom. But I wonder where the Hebrew prophets fit in?
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 8, 2013 17:27:00 GMT
I didn't realise the difference but that's very interesting. It seems that the Christian Bible (NT) is a text of revelation and the Torah a sort of collective human wisdom. But I wonder where the Hebrew prophets fit in? We need to remember that the Torah wasn't written until after either: a) the prophecies were already fulfilled, or b) they remain unfulfilled. Remember that the Jews don't accept Jesus as being the fulfillment of a prophecy. It's rather easy for a writer to look at a historical fact and then write down that a "prophet" foresaw the event or to later take an event that occurs and claim that it fulfilled a prophecy.
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Post by diuretic on Aug 10, 2013 5:39:25 GMT
True enough too - post facto revelations - good trick for the system that!
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Post by ShivaTD on Sept 2, 2013 1:44:39 GMT
True enough too - post facto revelations - good trick for the system that! It's also interesting to take a vague prophecy and then use actual events to try and establish it was the fulfillment of the prophecy. We see this related to Nostradamus and how many times have cult Christians walked around with signs saying "The End Is Near" historically?
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