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Post by cenydd on Aug 8, 2013 11:22:38 GMT
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Aug 8, 2013 12:27:50 GMT
Yeah, not to mention hand grenades. How tragic to have to add this to the ever growing list of black on black crimes. And this one was very close to home.  |
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Post by JP5 on Aug 14, 2013 13:26:48 GMT
As it turns out....she was in the process of getting a restraining order and trying to get away from him. A very sad situation for her and those kids.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 16, 2013 16:17:38 GMT
How tragic to have to add this to the ever growing list of black on black crimes. And this one was very close to home. Since race is being interjected into this story I will assume these murders would have been acceptable to social conservatives if they were committed by a white person. Personally I oppose murder regardless of who commits it and obviously race had absolutely nothing to do with this case of murder. |
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Aug 16, 2013 17:47:53 GMT
How tragic to have to add this to the ever growing list of black on black crimes. And this one was very close to home. Since race is being interjected into this story I will assume these murders would have been acceptable to social conservatives if they were committed by a white person. Personally I oppose murder regardless of who commits it and obviously race had absolutely nothing to do with this case of murder. If & when white on white crime reaches the proportions of black on black crime, we'll discuss the subject. In the meantime, this black man killed 4 black people. No matter how you dress it up, its still black on black crime. Sorry it can't be made more palatable for you. |
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Aug 16, 2013 17:51:52 GMT
As it turns out....she was in the process of getting a restraining order and trying to get away from him. A very sad situation for her and those kids. She actually had one restraining order that expired last yr. Its so frustrating to be forced to sit back and wait for somebody to hurt you before anything can be done. In this case, it's too late now. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 16, 2013 18:28:23 GMT
As it turns out....she was in the process of getting a restraining order and trying to get away from him. A very sad situation for her and those kids. She actually had one restraining order that expired last yr. Its so frustrating to be forced to sit back and wait for somebody to hurt you before anything can be done. In this case, it's too late now. Overwhelmingly murder is intra-racial and not inter-racial and there is very little difference, albeit some, between the black on white inter-racial murders and white on black inter-racial murders relative to the overall murder rate in the United States. Percentage-wise there is slightly more black on white murder but in the broad picture it is relatively insignificant and can actually be accounted for based upon the simple fact that there are far more whites than blacks in society. Based upon random acts of violence the black on white murder rate would be much higher than it actually is simply because there are so many more whites in America. This is NOT the propaganda that Stormfront (a known racist hate group) puts out of course as they pull statistics that make it appear like there is a serious problem with both inter-racial and intra-racial murder rates. The last time I checked intra-racial murder stood at about 88% and more whites are murdered by whites than blacks are murdered by blacks in raw numbers. We can also note that much of the black on black murder is associated with gang wars over drug territory because blacks are denied equality of opportunity in employment, resulting in more criminal activities and that the drug prohibition laws were based upon racism in the first place. I would be very careful in pulling out the "race card" when addressing murder and other crimes. First do a lot of research on the topic as opposed to believing the racist propaganda that is out there and then simply spreading it. |
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Aug 16, 2013 18:44:45 GMT
Shiva, after reading your posts on race, I begin to wonder if there are any black people where you live. You quote a lot of varied sources, but nothing you say seems to indicate you have personal experience living among blacks.
go to zipskinny.com and lets compare the racial mix of our neighborhoods. Then we'll know who's talking theory and who's talking reality. I think you talk a lot of theory.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 16, 2013 18:49:19 GMT
As it turns out....she was in the process of getting a restraining order and trying to get away from him. A very sad situation for her and those kids. She actually had one restraining order that expired last yr. Its so frustrating to be forced to sit back and wait for somebody to hurt you before anything can be done. In this case, it's too late now.
First and foremost is that anytime a restraining order is issued the firearms of the person the restraining order is issued against should be impounded by the police. The police would hold the firearms until the restraining order is lifted by the Court. The person would also be prohibited from purchasing or borrowing any firearms while the restraining order is in effect. It should be a felony for anyone with a restraining order against them to be in possession of a firearm, period.
Next is that there should be an automatic judicial review before the restraining order is lifted. While virtually all restraining orders are temporary before they expire the person that filed for the restraining order should be required to appear before the judge so that the judge can determine whether the restraining order should be lifted or not. Simple allowing the restraining order to expire has resulted if far too many deaths so a mandatory judicial review is warranted.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 16, 2013 18:56:50 GMT
Shiva, after reading your posts on race, I begin to wonder if there are any black people where you live. You quote a lot of varied sources, but nothing you say seems to indicate you have personal experience living among blacks.
FBI statistics, scientific studies, and historical case studies provide valuable and relevant information while anecdotal stories do not. For example saying "I have a close black friend" does not imply that a person has no racial prejudice and, in fact, statistically they probably do. It is anecdotal and not statistically accurate when we know that over 50% of Americans have anti-black racial prejudice and most of those can say they've had or have a close black friend. |
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Aug 17, 2013 0:36:48 GMT
Shiva, after reading your posts on race, I begin to wonder if there are any black people where you live. You quote a lot of varied sources, but nothing you say seems to indicate you have personal experience living among blacks.
FBI statistics, scientific studies, and historical case studies provide valuable and relevant information while anecdotal stories do not. For example saying "I have a close black friend" does not imply that a person has no racial prejudice and, in fact, statistically they probably do. It is anecdotal and not statistically accurate when we know that over 50% of Americans have anti-black racial prejudice and most of those can say they've had or have a close black friend. You call it anecdotal, I call it opinions based on real-life experience. Seems you prefer to put more stock in what you read than rely on your own observations. For example, this statement might be true for your zip code, but it's certainly not true for mine where whites make up 13% of the population. I prefer to believe what I see and live with 24/7 than statistics, so it's not surprising we'd have differing opinions on race issues. You see blacks as victims... I see blacks as equals. As often happens, people with strong opinions about race usually live in lily-white communities. Ironic, ain't it?  |
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 17, 2013 10:27:12 GMT
When someone is relating a personal experience which is anecdotal they really need to clarify that and understand that they can't make broad sweeping statements based upon these experiences. For example, "I my neighborhood we have a problem with ........" could be an accurate statement but using that local experience to express a national opinion is ignorant as it may not be accurate at all nationally. For example, locally we had a lot of meth labs but not all locations in the United States have a lot of meth labs and most have none at all.
When it comes to murders of family members this occurs across all races and genders and is a disturbing problem we need to deal with to try to prevent. We need to learn from cases such as this one as well as others. What pragmatic protections can we put in place is what we should be focused on and not race baiting which accomplishes nothing because it's unrelated to the problem.
It is a sad truth that the murder of family members is the extreme manifestation of domestic violence which is very prevalent in our society today. We can target measures specifically at the murder of family members by impounding firearms and requiring the review of the court before a restraining order is lifted but that will not prevent domestic murders. It might reduce them but it won't stop them. More important though is for us to address domestic violence in general because we need to stop it before it become so extreme that it results in murder.
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Post by alwayssa on Aug 18, 2013 2:40:15 GMT
When this happened, my radio station placed the toll freee number for domestic violence on the air for 24 hours as well as their FB page and other social media sites.
But unfortunately, this is becoming a disturbing trend here in Dallas. About two years ago, another situation happened in Garland at a local bowling alley. The husband, or ex husband went there wherehis ex was, his kids, and his ex's friends were. There was a birthday payrty and he shot and killed his ex. The kids were alright since they were not there at the moment. Eventually, he ex husband committed suicide. The intent was to make sure that since the ex was not going to have his way, no one would. And that was the case for this guy who killed his girlfriend and her friends.
Tjhere have been other cases like this in Dallas and it gets all the attention. it should. It is sad that htis happens, but we are becoming a country of wimps.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 18, 2013 11:18:37 GMT
Perhaps I'm a bit overly simplistic but I believe there is a core problem in that people simply don't respect the inalienable rights of the person. They don't respect them for several reasons not the least of which is they don't understand them because our schools and parents don't teach us what inalienable rights are. People don't know the criteria for them and have no foundation for understanding that they are not inherently superior to any other person. Violence against another person is based upon a belief of superiority over the other person and a complete disregard for their rights as a person.
The Non Aggression Principle (NAP) is based upon an understanding of the Rights of the Person. No individual has a "right" to initiate an act of aggression against another person. An act of aggression is simply defined as any action one person commits against another person without their consent. Something as simple as staring at another person is an act of aggression albeit generally not causing any harm.
When we look at relationships between people we have a long cultural history going back thousands of years where women were basically considered chattel as opposed to equals in marriage. Many religions often refer to this where the wife is expected to be subservient to the husband (i.e. they are not considered equals) and it is this male superiority complex that is often the root cause of domestic violence. Most domestic violence that can end in murder is committed by the man against the woman and I believe this is founded in our long cultural beliefs that a man is superior to a woman and that she is his "property" as opposed to being an independent equal person.
But that's just my take on it......
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