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Post by cenydd on Aug 23, 2013 10:54:35 GMT
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Post by bobbins on Aug 23, 2013 11:41:46 GMT
What "difficult issues"? They're partially isolated from any normal pain through CAP and, given food price rises, they're making record profits (whilst ruining water quality, killing badgers and decimating insect populations)
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Post by cenydd on Aug 23, 2013 17:55:20 GMT
What "difficult issues"? They're partially isolated from any normal pain through CAP and, given food price rises, they're making record profits (whilst ruining water quality, killing badgers and decimating insect populations) Depends on the type of agriculture they are involved in. Arable farming has been doing very well, especially when it's done on a large scale, but things haven't been so great lately for dairy farmers or hill farmers. It would appear that the land price rises have been across the board, though.
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Post by bobbins on Aug 23, 2013 19:00:06 GMT
Depends on the type of agriculture they are involved in. Arable farming has been doing very well, especially when it's done on a large scale, but things haven't been so great lately for dairy farmers or hill farmers. It would appear that the land price rises have been across the board, though. All have seen gains (unlike wages amongst the workers!). For example, average dairy income increased 17.8% just between 2011 and 2012. Never feel sorry for farmers. Dairy farmer obsessive use of barbed wire (and disappearing foot paths) is a particular nuisance!
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Post by cenydd on Aug 26, 2013 21:43:40 GMT
Average income isn't necessarily a great guide to how things are on the ground for many farmers, because of the ever increasing productivity of the ever increasing big 'industrial' farms. It isn't necessarily something reflected by the experience of smaller 'family' farmers at all. I certainly don't 'feel sorry' for the large scale farms that are doing very well, and also the ones doing most of the damage to the environment and so on, but I do recognise that smaller and more traditional family farming units (often the ones most concerned with being good 'custodians of the countryside', so to speak) aren't doing so great at all (and in some areas those smaller farms make up a larger percentage of farming overall than in some other areas - the upland farming areas usually aren't farming in the same 'industrial' way as the big, flat, open areas can, obviously).
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Post by bobbins on Aug 26, 2013 22:20:06 GMT
Average income isn't necessarily a great guide to how things are on the ground for many farmers, because of the ever increasing productivity of the ever increasing big 'industrial' farms. There isn't any evidence of a growing distinction between the mean and median (also note that the increases were recorded in all regions of the UK). Now there has been some evidence of reductions this year. However, this is likely to be a blip. These farmers are earning considerably above the average income of the general population.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 28, 2013 12:41:02 GMT
I don't know the UK's laws but do know that we've experienced the same corporate take-over of the farm industry in the United States. In the US it's due to crony capitalism where there are huge tax advantages for corporations/investors when compared to the individual or families engaged in enterprise.
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