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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 19, 2013 11:54:31 GMT
I freely admit a lack of knowledge about Australian politics so I'd like to ask a question.
Apparently in Australia the two major parties are the Labor Party and the Liberal Party both of which would be under the banner of the Democratic Party in the United State.
Does Australia have a "Tea Party" type political movement that is both anti-tax and anti-government that wants to bring down the established government that is currently under the control of the Labor and Liberal Parties regardless of the "cost" to the Australian People or is that unique to the United States?
The United States has a long history of people that are "anti-establishment" and I have been one of those historically but I never put forward the proposition that our government should be destroyed at any cost which is what the Tea Party Movement represents here. I'd always supported the de-evolution of the role of government based upon compromise and consensus where the American people won't suffer, but instead benefit, from the transition to a smaller government.
So I'm curious about whether Australia has something similar to the Tea Party Movement that doesn't care what happens to the People so long as the "political establishment" as we know it can be destroyed.
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Post by diuretic on Oct 21, 2013 10:39:46 GMT
Turnbull will be seated in the big office fairly soon.
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Post by diuretic on Oct 21, 2013 10:42:08 GMT
Nothing like the Tea Party in Australia Shiva. Generally speaking Australians are okay with the institutions of politics, they just don't trust the people running them.
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 21, 2013 16:05:58 GMT
Nothing like the Tea ytParty in Australia Shiva. Generally speaking Australians are okay with the institutions of politics, they just don't trust the people running them. Thanks for the response. I'm pretty much an "anti-establishment" person highly skeptical of politicians that I know are full of half-truths to support their nefarious agendas but I don't advocate destroying government which is fundamentally what a lot of those in the Tea Party advocate.
Australians are very lucky to not have a Tea Party that doesn't offer anything for the People of the Nation and are dedicated to destroying any benefit the government might provide to the People. I don't like a lot of what the US government does because our government doesn't address problems very well if at all but I think that can be fixed from within by actually addressing the problems. The government can't fix everything and shouldn't be expected to but it can fix some things (often problems of it's own creation).
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Post by cenydd on Oct 22, 2013 7:40:19 GMT
Apparently in Australia the two major parties are the Labor Party and the Liberal Party both of which would be under the banner of the Democratic Party in the United State.
Almost every major political party in the 'western' world would come under the banner of the Democratic Party in the US - I know of no other major parties anywhere in the civilised world that are anywhere near as right-wing as the Republicans, let alone the tea party (which seems to be the most bizarre and self-contradictory mix of extreme Conservatism and virtual Anarchism). Usually these days political debates elsewhere are between moderate 'Liberals', moderate 'Social Democrats' and moderate 'Conservatives' (and hence centre around finding the best practical solutions for the country's problems, according to the core of those ideologies, rather than the kind of 'my way or death' rhetoric nonsense that is commonplace in the US) - the entrenched and blinkered fundamentalism of the right in US politics is pretty much unique. That's how I see things anyway - it would be interesting to see whether Australians agree with that picture (I know that some do). Each country has it's own unique political factors, of course, and as I understand it in Australia Labor are broadly 'social democrats' while the liberals tend to be fairly right-leaning and 'neo-liberal', a bit more like the UK's Conservatives than our Liberal Democrats (who would probably sit somewhere between the two). Is that about right?
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Post by diuretic on Nov 28, 2013 10:24:33 GMT
I think you have it cenydd. Even our conservative party (the Liberals) have a lot of people who are socially liberal even if they share the free market ideology of their more dry colleagues. Our Labor is less broad then your Labour, the left in Labor here is not as strong as the British Labour left. Your LibDems probably have no direct analogue in Australia though.
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