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Post by cenydd on Sept 7, 2013 16:36:05 GMT
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Post by wybongau on Sept 8, 2013 0:06:32 GMT
Good question. First we need to look at "Our Plan", something we know little of. I feel "Our Plan" hasn't yet been written, only the Headings. Stop the boats.... a heading, but how. So far it's only been "re start what Howard had that was working".. all good, but the world is different now, different refugees, different civil wars, different circumstances, different challenges. Cutting the waste ..yes all for that, I have seen first hand the waste ... personally I left a good government job because I couldn't stand the waste I saw. I have seen the "real" waste and I would bet my last dollar, what they cut is not waste, well not the real waste. Others I will comment about later. OK Abbott, you have the reigns, let's see if you can drive. |
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Post by Makedde on Sept 8, 2013 5:39:38 GMT
We are screwed. Here is a man who is too gutless to give his own MP's a conscience vote on gay marriage, who thinks climate change is a load of bull, who will make it harder for single parents to send their kids to school, who claims to be Catholic but wants to turn back the less fortunate because he claims they are illegal even though they are not, and who will pay rich women to have babies.
Australia is screwed, and if you voted for the Liberals, I hope you bloody regret it.
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Post by cenydd on Sept 8, 2013 8:39:20 GMT
Australia is screwed, and if you voted for the Liberals, I hope you bloody regret it. He certainly seems to have a definition of 'Liberal' that is somewhat.....shall we say.....interesting! I'm not that up on Australian politics, but it seems to be very much a Conservative agenda. |
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Post by truthvigilante on Sept 8, 2013 9:03:10 GMT
The Australian political landscape had changed dramatically since 1996. I think Australian's are becoming more and more comfortable with our move to the right due to issues over emphasised by Hanson and Howard that didn't seem to do much harm on a large scale! The concern is that Abbott is much further right than his predecessor Howard and will aim to shove us even further right. Is it a bad thing? I suppose it depends on how many people can be convinced of these values with the help of Rupert Murdoch!
I just hope abbott isn't as bad as is being predicted!
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Post by Makedde on Sept 11, 2013 3:13:46 GMT
The Australian political landscape had changed dramatically since 1996. I think Australian's are becoming more and more comfortable with our move to the right due to issues over emphasised by Hanson and Howard that didn't seem to do much harm on a large scale! The concern is that Abbott is much further right than his predecessor Howard and will aim to shove us even further right. Is it a bad thing? I suppose it depends on how many people can be convinced of these values with the help of Rupert Murdoch! I just hope abbott isn't as bad as is being predicted! No, he is worse! He is already going to scrap the school kids bonus, which helps low income parents, especially single mums, buy uniforms and school books for the kids. They will be worse off now. |
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Post by diuretic on Sept 19, 2013 23:00:06 GMT
In UK terms I think we can say we have a Thatcherite PM now. I'm thinking of British PMs since Attlee and I really can't see anyone similar other than Thatcher. Even the 20th Century Tories like Eden, Macmilland, Douglas-Home, Heath would not get near Abbott in terms of his reactionary views. Perhaps a dash of Major but the overwhelming likeness is to Thatcher.
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Post by truthvigilante on Sept 21, 2013 23:56:48 GMT
The Australian political landscape had changed dramatically since 1996. I think Australian's are becoming more and more comfortable with our move to the right due to issues over emphasised by Hanson and Howard that didn't seem to do much harm on a large scale! The concern is that Abbott is much further right than his predecessor Howard and will aim to shove us even further right. Is it a bad thing? I suppose it depends on how many people can be convinced of these values with the help of Rupert Murdoch! I just hope abbott isn't as bad as is being predicted! No, he is worse! He is already going to scrap the school kids bonus, which helps low income parents, especially single mums, buy uniforms and school books for the kids. They will be worse off now. People are basing their decisions mostly on the economy and if the world's economy is on the up as is reported then Abbott will get away with cutting anything that looks like welfare. They'll trust him that much that his own welfare 75k baby bonus will be happily received by most! It's unfortunate how world economic downturns have always aligned with Australian labor. I'm confident if you look back, world recessions occurred whilst conservative governments in major economies were in control! I could be wrong......but that's how I see it...lol! |
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Post by Makedde on Sept 23, 2013 4:56:32 GMT
Look at Abbotts first couple of weeks. He was going to stop the boats on day one, THREE boats have arrived so far, and now the Libs are going to prevent the media from being alerted about new asylum seeker boats, because that way, it will seem like Abbott has succeeded in stopping them when he hasn't!!
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Post by truthvigilante on Sept 23, 2013 10:49:59 GMT
I wonder if Abbott can be as successful as Howard with smoke and mirrors tactics! I'd have to say that if he is unsuccessful at covering the facts he will be a one term government! They have staked so much negativity on most of labors policies which were in fact quite solid! The direct action plan policy is already looking dodgy as well!
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Post by Makedde on Sept 24, 2013 10:58:07 GMT
It won't take long before people wake up and realise they had the wool pulled over their eyes.
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Post by truthvigilante on Sept 26, 2013 22:27:48 GMT
You could only hope people will realise I suppose! They're being sneaky it seems! They are laying too low! I notice bishop is wanting the asylum seeker issue or arrangements to fly under media radar so that "they're policies can have every opportunity to be effective without negativity"! Now this is an utter joke! They wrecked every possible solution through negativity and all of a sudden want a hurdleless path!
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Post by Leo on Oct 19, 2013 2:56:40 GMT
You could only hope people will realise I suppose! They're being sneaky it seems! They are laying too low! I notice bishop is wanting the asylum seeker issue or arrangements to fly under media radar so that "they're policies can have every opportunity to be effective without negativity"! Now this is an utter joke! They wrecked every possible solution through negativity and all of a sudden want a hurdleless path!
Or as American politician Dick Tuck put it (rather more succinctly) - "The people have spoken...the bar stewards!" (He used another term, which is verboten according to the profanity filter.) 
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Post by dangermouse on Oct 19, 2013 3:53:10 GMT
I seem to recall that's an Aussie term of endearment, isn't it?
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Post by Leo on Oct 19, 2013 9:42:57 GMT
I seem to recall that's an Aussie term of endearment, isn't it?
But so-called profanity filters drive me spare. They assume everyone in the world is a North American and lives in a similarly puritanical society. Have you ever tried use the name of that well-known Yorkshire town Scunthorpe on some fora? This one does not seem to mind. And yet I can write penis, or arse, or even pudenda (interestingly, the Latin term for shame,) at those places with relative impunity!!! 
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