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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 2, 2013 0:47:35 GMT
The House GOP is playing political blame gaming as opposed to working to resolve the government shutdown.
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There are 200 Democrats in the US House of Representatives that the House GOP members could negotiate with. All they have to do is invite them into a conference to work out a deal that will be acceptable to the Senate. The House Democrats that should have been the one's the GOP was talking to weren't even invited to the meeting.
All that has ever been required is for the Republicans that control the US House of Representatives to do is to work out a bi-partisan budget resolution. Had Republicans done that in the first place then none of this crap would be going on today.
Instead the House GOP is inventing a false argument that the Senate is responsible for the House GOP's failure to send a bi-partisan continuing resolution to the Senate for approval.
This is political BS at it's worst.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 2, 2013 2:57:20 GMT
The House GOP is playing political blame gaming as opposed to working to resolve the government shutdown.
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There are 200 Democrats in the US House of Representatives that the House GOP members could negotiate with. All they have to do is invite them into a conference to work out a deal that will be acceptable to the Senate. The House Democrats that should have been the one's the GOP was talking to weren't even invited to the meeting.
Maybe you missed that they did just exactly what you propose here......last night. They called for a Conference; Democrats only made fun and chastised them for it. There is NOTHNG that will be acceptable to the Senate. They made it perfectly clear after turning everything down that the Republicans sent them with the message from both them and the President of....."we either get ALL that we want, or we accept nothing." That is NOT negotiating or compromising in anyone's book!!
All that has ever been required is for the Republicans that control the US House of Representatives to do is to work out a bi-partisan budget resolution. Had Republicans done that in the first place then none of this crap would be going on today.
Really? "The US Senate has rejected a budget bill passed by the Republican-led House of Representatives, with just hours left to avert a government shutdown.
The Democratic-led Senate voted 54-46 against the bill, which would fund the government only if President Obama's healthcare law were delayed a year."
And Obama's comment was...."I shouldn't have to offer anything."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24330034
Instead the House GOP is inventing a false argument that the Senate is responsible for the House GOP's failure to send a bi-partisan continuing resolution to the Senate for approval.
This is political BS at it's worst.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 2, 2013 3:35:24 GMT
Is it "playing games" to want to do something about all these problems? Obviously Obamacare is not ready for prime time.....even if you DO want it. This wasn't Fox News.....it was MSNBC and CNN: "MSNBC’s Mara Schiavocampo ran into difficulties as she tried to sign up for the newly launched health-care exchanges on Tuesday. After getting an error message on the website, she called the help line twice, but wasn’t able to reach a navigator on the other end. Instead, she was put on hold for 35 minutes. “If I were signing up for myself, this is where my patience would be exhausted,” Schiavocampo said before she gave up." www.nationalreview.com/corner/360064/oops-msnbc-anchor-cant-access-obamacare-exchange-andrew-johnson"BROOKE BALDWIN: So you guys hit a wall. we’re here in Georgia. What about other states? Similar issues? ELIZABETH COHEN: The CNN medical team branched out. We tried in about 20 different state states. In 12 of them we hit glitches. Sometimes it made it impossible to sign up. There were error messages or that little annoying kind of twirly thing. BALDWIN: I hate the twirly thing. COHEN: Hate it, hate it, right? In many cases, you just couldn’t sign up." And then we've got news that a large percentage of the young people are planning NOT to get in to Obamacare and will elect the fine instead....because it's cheaper. Healthcare cost will NOT be going down. Bringing healthcare costs down and having everyone covered just isn't going to happen. It's a pipe dream and a ruse. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 2, 2013 8:39:45 GMT
There are 200 Democrats in the House of Representatives and they're the one's that the GOP should be working with to pass legislation. They can actually vote on the legislation while Senate Democrats can't vote on House Legislation. They represent the "Democratic Party" position on virtually all issues.
If the House GOP leadership could draft a bill that even 1/2 of the Democrats support in the House it would pass both the House and the Senate. Anyone with an IQ above 80 knows that. Even if the 80 Republicans that signed the letter endorsing the shut-down of the government voted against it the legislation would still pass in the House with 100 Democrats supporting it.
In fact if the House passed a CR with 100 Democrats voting for it, even if it cost 80 Republican votes, then even many Republicans in the Senate would also support it as well as most if not all of the Democrats.
The problem and the solution for the country is in the House of Representatives and not in the Senate. That's why this is such a BS political game being played by Boehner and Co.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 2, 2013 14:33:52 GMT
There are 200 Democrats in the House of Representatives and they're the one's that the GOP should be working with to pass legislation. They can actually vote on the legislation while Senate Democrats can't vote on House Legislation. They represent the "Democratic Party" position on virtually all issues.
If the House GOP leadership could draft a bill that even 1/2 of the Democrats support in the House it would pass both the House and the Senate. Anyone with an IQ above 80 knows that. Even if the 80 Republicans that signed the letter endorsing the shut-down of the government voted against it the legislation would still pass in the House with 100 Democrats supporting it.
In fact if the House passed a CR with 100 Democrats voting for it, even if it cost 80 Republican votes, then even many Republicans in the Senate would also support it as well as most if not all of the Democrats.
The problem and the solution for the country is in the House of Representatives and not in the Senate. That's why this is such a BS political game being played by Boehner and Co. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 2, 2013 14:49:08 GMT
Actually on the last Continuous Resolution passed by the House two Democrats supported it while two Republicans opposed it.
Not really significant statistically as they basically nullified each other's votes.
What the House really needs is to address real bi-partisan legislation where a majority or at least 1/2 of each both party supports it. House Republicans haven't even come close to doing that and are not reaching out to the other side of the isle in the House to do what's necessary to end the government shutdown. This is not something the Senate should be involved with at all.
It's exclusively a House or Representatives problem that needs to be worked out within the House of Representatives.
If the House fixes it's own internal problems then there won't be any problem with the Senate, both Democrats and Republicans, approving the legislation.
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Oct 2, 2013 19:20:26 GMT
I think the disconnect in congress is a direct result of poor leadership from the WH.
Its not like Obama is known for his ability to bring folks together.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 2, 2013 20:00:14 GMT
I think the disconnect in congress is a direct result of poor leadership from the WH. Its not like Obama is known for his ability to bring folks together. 
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Post by JP5 on Oct 2, 2013 20:05:42 GMT
Actually on the last Continuous Resolution passed by the House two Democrats supported it while two Republicans opposed it.
Not really significant statistically as they basically nullified each other's votes.
What the House really needs is to address real bi-partisan legislation where a majority or at least 1/2 of each both party supports it. House Republicans haven't even come close to doing that and are not reaching out to the other side of the isle in the House to do what's necessary to end the government shutdown. This is not something the Senate should be involved with at all.
It's exclusively a House or Representatives problem that needs to be worked out within the House of Representatives.
If the House fixes it's own internal problems then there won't be any problem with the Senate, both Democrats and Republicans, approving the legislation.
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Oct 2, 2013 20:56:26 GMT
Either compromising or scolding. I'd bet its the second. Although it is good to hear they were invited. Haven't had the news on all day. Afraid they might tell me I have to go back to work.  |
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Post by JP5 on Oct 2, 2013 23:07:50 GMT
Either compromising or scolding. I'd bet its the second. Although it is good to hear they were invited. Haven't had the news on all day. Afraid they might tell me I have to go back to work. HAHA. Oh....so YOU are one of the 'non-essentials," eh???  Everybody just enjoys their time off, right? |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 3, 2013 1:48:10 GMT
Once again let us reflect on the facts.
Only a minority of Americans oppose "Obamacare" and even fewer oppose it if it's called by it's proper name, the Affordable Care Act.
Overwhelmingly Americans oppose the shutdown of our government or the refusal to raise the national debt based upon linking these to necessary actions of government to Obamacare.
John Boehner has enough votes in the House right this minute to pass a Continuing Resolution for government funding if "Obamacare" is removed from it so even a majority of the House of Representatives opposes the linkage of "Obamacare" to funding of our government.
Finally the latest irony of ironies, which I've created a thread on, is that Rep Darrel Isso of California is the first Republican member of Congress that I've heard make a proposal to replace "Obamacare" and basically his proposal replaces Obamacare with Obamacare. A few details are missing but if it covers more of those that need health insurance than Obamacare it will cost more and has no provisions for funding. That said I do give him credit for doing what no other Republican is willing to do.
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Post by maniacalhamster on Oct 7, 2013 14:39:23 GMT
HAHA. Oh....so YOU are one of the 'non-essentials," eh??? Everybody just enjoys their time off, right? I wonder how long you will be laughing at your fellow americans for...this was 5 days ago..people are working for free in some areas of the States... |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 18, 2013 20:50:12 GMT
HAHA. Oh....so YOU are one of the 'non-essentials," eh??? Everybody just enjoys their time off, right? |
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Post by JP5 on Oct 19, 2013 1:12:42 GMT
HAHA. Oh....so YOU are one of the 'non-essentials," eh??? Everybody just enjoys their time off, right? Sorry. But Republicans didn't write this piece of legislation. Reid did. Oh yeah, he bought off McConnell with a kickback for his state. That's why McConnell is going to be targeted next go around, BTW. I'll send money to support replacing him too. And then it looks like Democrat Senator Diane Feinstein gave the Ohio Republican Senator a multi-billion kickback for his state too......even signed her name to it; so as to try and fool somebody that it wasn't really him......in exchange for his vote on their bill, of course. Looks like lots of "deals" were made in their selling out of America. That's the only two I've heard about. Obama and Reid and the mainstream are keeping it under wraps, it seems.......because we still don't know all the pork attached to this bill to "buy" support and votes. |
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"The US Senate has rejected a budget bill passed by the Republican-led House of Representatives, with just hours left to avert a government shutdown.
