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Post by JP5 on Oct 13, 2013 19:52:04 GMT
Last summer.....just before the 2012 election, Obama (all on his own) delayed a major component, the Employer Mandate portion of Obamacare.
He altered the law, all on his own. He is NOT a legislator!
“This one-year delay will provide employers and businesses more time to update their health care coverage without threat of arbitrary punishment,” said Neil Trautwein, vice president and employee benefits policy counsel of the National Retail Federation, in a statement responding to the administration’s announcement."
AND YET.......he has turned away the earlier Republican offer of resolving the CR and debt crisis by signing on to their proposal to give individuals, who are also under threat of arbitrary punishment, that same year-long postponement! Now, what possible reasons we he do something so unreasonable? Is it because.....
a) he simply does not want Republicans to have any kind of win here.
b) last year's one-man decision was purely political and about getting re-elected.
c) he has disdain for citizens and doesn't care......and he doesn't have to worry about the election any longer.
d) he knows he can pull out another one-man rabbit show late next summer where he can hope to get the votes to take back over the Congress.
OR....all of the above?
I'm going with ALL of the above.
It's clear that the fault lies with Obama. He doesn't want a solution; he wants the conflict. OR he wants a total win. It's clear this Obamacare....passed almost 4 years ago.....was not ready for Prime Time. And that's supported by even those who are still "in love" with him.
With Obama; it's all about him. He doesn't care about anything else......
www.healthcareitnews.com/news/white-house-postpones-insurance-mandate
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Post by 12th on Oct 13, 2013 22:24:50 GMT
One of the weirdest things I have ever seen is how people keep saying that republicans support big business and want little people to suffer. Pbama knows this. He knows that when pbamacare hits the fan, those poor people will still blame republicans. They will still vote democrat. They give pbama and the democrats credit for good intentions they never had. At this point, I believe that the democrats intend to destroy wealth. They can't be this stupid.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 13, 2013 23:05:18 GMT
Well, they are pretty stupid when it comes to economics. They've proven that over and over again.
I thought this exchange this morning on "Face The Nation" with the Republican Congressman from Missouri and very liberal Obama supporter host, Bob Schieffer:
SCHIEFFER: But, congressman, don't you have to focus on keeping the government running? Nothing can happen until the government is running. And this idea -- I mean, people do this from time to time, but the idea that you can kind of put a wish list, attached to legislation to keep the government running, why is that a good idea?
HUELSKAMP: Well, Bob, we've sent bill after bill to the Senate. And they've rejected it. They chose to shut the government down over two issues -- they did not want to extend the same break that the president gave to big business, did not want to extend that to the rest of America. And they also wanted to maintain their gold-plated health care system just for members of congress. I think those are two very unpopular approaches from the Senate. But at the end of the day, we've got a spending problem. And we have a debt ceiling that's approaching. The debt ceiling is not the problem, Bob. It's the fact they've been spending about $1 trillion more than they're take next. I think most folks are tired of not only the games in Washington, shutting down the World War II memorial, but more importantly, which is why the Tea Party took office, because they think Washington is ignoring the underlying problems of spending too much money.
SCHIEFFER: Well, if I could just interject here, I think you may have got a problem coming that may be worse than all of that and that is if the government has to default on its debts and the term, "Full Faith and Credit of the United States Government" is no longer operative, I mean, if that happens we're going to plunge off into the unknown. Nobody knows what the impact of that will be on not just our economy but the world economy. Would you be willing to let that happen in order to postpone Obamacare, which you haven't been able to do -- Obamacare marches on, not marching very well right now, but Obamacare has started. And all of the rest of this is happening. Are you willing to let that happen to prove this point?
HUELSKAMP: Bob, I know you are probably surprised to hear me say this, but I agree with Joe Biden in August of 2011, the last time we had this type of crisis, Joe Biden admitted in China to our folks over there that there will be no default. It's not going to happen. There are no payments due on October 17 to pay our creditors. There are no payments due until November 15. That's why Moody's has indicated it's not going to have a major impact.
SCHIEFFER: But, Congressman, Congressman, I don't want to interrupt you here, but that's not what the secretary of the treasury says. That is not what he reported. That just is not -- you tell me.
Secretary Lew, of course, if fear-mongering.....just as Obama has done and will continue to do. BUT they are BOTH going to be made fools when on Thursday it's a big fat nothing.....proving once again, they are liars.
We still have over $200 billion left for the month....AFTER paying down the interest on the debt we owe.
How 'bout some leadership, Mr. President?
www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57607292/face-the-nation-transcripts-october-13-2013-schumer-mccain-ayotte-huelskamp/?pageNum=3
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Post by 12th on Oct 14, 2013 1:56:00 GMT
A bill funding the govt is sitting in the Senate. If they want to keep it shut down, fine with me. MY Senator is doing exactly what he promised.  |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 14, 2013 14:12:21 GMT
Let's clarify some facts. First of all the Obama Administration did NOT delay the employer mandate to provide insurance for those enterprises with more than 50 full time employees. What President Obama addressed in his executive order was the fact that the reporting procedures were not in place and lacking those reporting procedures it would be impossible to collect penalties for employers that fail to provide the insurance in 2014. The employers are still required to provide the insurance.
Next is the fact that the "debt ceiling" as absolutely nothing to do with the actual debt incurred by government. Debt is created by not collecting enough in tax revenues to fund expenditures. The Congress could raise the debt limit to $20 trillion today and it wouldn't increase the national debt by one dime. Not increasing the debt limit will not stop the debt from increasing but merely prevents the government from paying it's bills on time. The debt will actually rise quicker if the debt ceiling isn't raised because the government will face financial penalties for not paying it's bills on time.
A simple point of fact. Congress cannot authorize expenditures and then not pay them.
To address the deficits, and the national debt, is going to require both addressing the authorized expenditures by Congress as well as the revenue generated by the tax laws.
We can note that since President Obama released his 2014 budget proposal the House Republicans on the House Budget Committee haven't offered a single piece of legislation based upon a bipartisan agreement with the Democrats on the House Budget Committee. If Republicans in the House want to reach a bipartisan solution to the deficits and the increasing national debt then they have to include Democrats on the House Budget Committee. So far they've shown no indication of wanting to reach a bipartisan solution to the deficits and debt.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 14, 2013 14:38:45 GMT
Let's clarify some facts. First of all the Obama Administration did NOT delay the employer mandate to provide insurance for those enterprises with more than 50 full time employees. What President Obama addressed in his executive order was the fact that the reporting procedures were not in place and lacking those reporting procedures it would be impossible to collect penalties for employers that fail to provide the insurance in 2014. The employers are still required to provide the insurance.
Next is the fact that the "debt ceiling" as absolutely nothing to do with the actual debt incurred by government. Debt is created by not collecting enough in tax revenues to fund expenditures. The Congress could raise the debt limit to $20 trillion today and it wouldn't increase the national debt by one dime. Not increasing the debt limit will not stop the debt from increasing but merely prevents the government from paying it's bills on time. The debt will actually rise quicker if the debt ceiling isn't raised because the government will face financial penalties for not paying it's bills on time.
A simple point of fact. Congress cannot authorize expenditures and then not pay them.
To address the deficits, and the national debt, is going to require both addressing the authorized expenditures by Congress as well as the revenue generated by the tax laws.
We can note that since President Obama released his 2014 budget proposal the House Republicans on the House Budget Committee haven't offered a single piece of legislation based upon a bipartisan agreement with the Democrats on the House Budget Committee. If Republicans in the House want to reach a bipartisan solution to the deficits and the increasing national debt then they have to include Democrats on the House Budget Committee. So far they've shown no indication of wanting to reach a bipartisan solution to the deficits and debt.
"Debt is created by not collecting enough taxes to fund the expenditures???" Geez. That philosophy has LIBERAL written all over it. So.....if you make $60,000/yr and you are spending $120,000/yr.......do you demand from your employer that HE must raise YOUR salary to match YOUR over-spending? No. Citizens cut their spending......or never run up that kind of over-spending in the first place. We clearly have a problem with over-spending.....and there is only ONE party trying to fix the real problem; Republicans. Dems will talk a good game during elections; but they aren't really serious.
As far as the budget. How many years now since this president and Democrats haven't submitted a budget? Rather late for them to now try to do their duty. And I'm sure it's another "my way or the highway" budget anyway. As far as the debt ceiling.....yes, it will be raised. What happens is the more we overspend and borrow, the higher our interest payments go. Interest alone is a huge factor in our budget. THAT is what the Republicans are serious about turning around; Democrats are not. I sent my representatives to Congress and the Senate to fix the over-spending and debt problem in our country. I didn't send them there to INCREASE it. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 15, 2013 0:28:56 GMT
There have been few problems in accessing the insurance exchanges for those States that decided to address these in 2010 and set up their own. The problems are for those States, predominately Republican, that didn't do anything until after the Supreme Court decision in June, 2012 that found the ACA was basically Constitutional. Then these same "Republican" States still refused to set up their own insurance exchanges instead dumping that responsibility on the federal government at virtually the "last minute" to deal with. Of course the responses to the exchanges by the people has been overwhelming which bodes well for the Affordable Care Act. They still have many months to enroll in the exchanges and there will be no real problem.
If an individual finds themselves in financial difficulties because of debt, such as a mortgage payment, they don't refused to pay their mortgage. They pay the mortgage and then address option such as refinancing to deduce the monthly payment.
Republicans are not willing to address the debt problem which includes ALL general spending appropriations. The DOD budget is the elephant in the living room when it comes to the national debt and deficit spending.
Social Security and Medicare haven't contributed ANYTHING to the national debt and have almost $3 trillion in excess funding collected. Social Security and Medicare don't even have a future spending problem, they have a future funding problem.
To reduce "welfare spending" all we have to do is reduce poverty. The most effective way to reduce poverty is to reduce discrimination against minorities and women when it comes to employment and compensation. Why aren't Republicans focused on the problem if they want to reduce welfare spending? Spending isn't the problem, poverty is the problem.
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Post by 12th on Oct 17, 2013 0:19:44 GMT
Bull*love*ing*fairy dust*. Government welfare is what enables a healthy 30 year old man to take money from an 80 year old invalid without guilt, shame or gratitude.
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 17, 2013 8:17:29 GMT
Government welfare is what enables a healthy 30 year old man to take money from an 80 year old invalid without guilt, shame or gratitude.
My parents are middle class retires age 94 and 91 and, excluding federal excise taxes (e.g. the federal fuel tax), haven't paid a dime in federal income or investment taxes or FICA/Payroll taxes for decades. At the state level they pay a highly reduced property tax rate, don't pay any state income tax, but do pay state sales taxes and other consumption state taxes.
I'd like to know who this 80 year old invalid paying taxes is. They certainly aren't a "typical middle class" American retiree that, for all intent and purpose, doesn't pay any federal taxes. |
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No. Citizens cut their spending......or never run up that kind of over-spending in the first place. We clearly have a problem with over-spending.....and there is only ONE party trying to fix the real problem; Republicans. Dems will talk a good game during elections; but they aren't really serious.