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Post by donglock26 on Oct 18, 2013 19:52:24 GMT
Hello, everyone! I thought I'd join and post this. I find it interesting that the professor was living in a progressive information bubble and had preconceived notions because all that he knew came from inside his echo chamber. Perhaps, the Tea Party people see cause and effect better?
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 18, 2013 20:33:39 GMT
Hello, everyone! I thought I'd join and post this. I find it interesting that the professor was living in a progressive information bubble and had preconceived notions because all that he knew came from inside his echo chamber. Perhaps, the Tea Party people see cause and effect better?
With consumer confidence in negative territory it is going to suppress economic recovery that still remains very fragile right now. Income was lost for many small enterprises because of the government shutdown and once lost that money is gone never to be replaced. Some small enterprises may never recover from the government shutdown according to some sources I've read. New jobs projections have taken a dramatic hit as the consumer confidence declined from positive into negative. The economy was crippled by the political foolishness of the "Tea Party" in the House. They knew from the beginning that they would not be able to defund or delay "Obamacare" and it was a foolish move to even attempt it knowing the economic havoc it would cause.
Will the "Tea Party" accept responsibility for the harm they've caused to the US economy with their actions because they took the US to the brink of economic disaster by refusing to fund government and allowing the US government to pay it's obligations by raising the debt ceiling? Doubtful in my opinion. They'll claim it's all Obama's fault and refuse to acknowledge the cause and effect of their own actions.
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Post by donglock26 on Oct 18, 2013 20:39:38 GMT
I thought it was Harry Reid that refused to allow the senate to vote on the House budget bill? Seems to me that he put a gun to the head of the country, and of course Obama threatened to veto a budget bill as well.
I think what you are trying to say is that the House was wrong pass their budget bill because they knew Democrats were willing to crash the economy.
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 18, 2013 23:24:18 GMT
I thought it was Harry Reid that refused to allow the senate to vote on the House budget bill? Seems to me that he put a gun to the head of the country, and of course Obama threatened to veto a budget bill as well. I think what you are trying to say is that the House was wrong pass their budget bill because they knew Democrats were willing to crash the economy.
While much more limited than the final approved legislation from Congress it would have forestalled the partial shutdown of the government. This was the CR that President Obama called upon the House to vote on to prevent the partial shutdown but it was never presented for a vote in the House by Speaker Boehner that feared "Tea Party" repercussions from the bipartisan vote that would approve it being supported overwhelmingly by Democrats.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 19, 2013 1:02:08 GMT
I noticed that during the recent fear-mongering from Obama....he said that the country cannot be beholding to one "small faction" I believe it called it.....in one part of one third of the government....meaning the Tea Party of course. You know....that would be the "small faction" that really wants to get our over-spending under control and turn it around, ultimately bringing down our debt.
But now, it sounds like he's going to use that "small faction" once again to try and BLAME them for all his failures of NOT fixing the economy.....after 5 years!!!! On the one hand he belittles them for being such a non-factor.....and on the other hand he blames them for ALL the ills of HIS presidency.....of which there are many!
And today, we read that in just one day our debt increased $328 BILLION, breaking the former one day record just two years ago....BOTH records under Barack Obama, btw.
The Tea Party came in to being once they caught wind that Obama wanted to come in to office and pass yet one more MASSIVE federal gov't program that MOST people didn't really want.......called Obamacare. We were told by Obama and Pelosi, we'd have to pass it BEFORE finding out what was in it. He postponed parts of it until AFTER his next election, because he KNEW he would probably have not gotten re-elected had the people found out exactly what he was doing to them.
So......it doesn't surprise me that the Tea Party knows more about science than Democrats. They also know plenty more about economics and fiscal responsibility as well. Sorry....but he shoved this down the throat of the nation when with ALL Democrats votes....not even considering the rest of the country; not caring. And to believe it's "settled law" and can never be repealed is ludicrous. If that were the case, we'd still have prohibition, women would still not be able to vote, and we'd probably still have slavery. YES, laws can and do get repealed. I, for one, will support anyone who fights for this to happen.....because I believe that Obamacare raises the debt and that is the absolute wrong direction we need to be going.
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 19, 2013 10:11:22 GMT
And today, we read that in just one day our debt increased $328 BILLION, breaking the former one day record just two years ago....BOTH records under Barack Obama, btw.
The $328 billion actually reflects how deep in the hole the government fell because the debt ceiling would not allow the normal operation of the government and that the Treasury was basically "robbing Peter to pay Paul" because it couldn't borrow the money to pay the bills.
The "bills" still keep coming in and the bills represent the actual debt. The ability to borrow simply allows for those bills to be paid. For example an invoice from Lockheed for $100 million due on the F-35 program represents the identical debt as revenue from $100 million in T-bills that would be used to pay that invoice. The "debt ceiling" only relates to the "T-Bills" and not to the "Invoices" while combined both represent the actual national debt.
Are those in the Tea Party really so naïve as to believe that the US debt doesn't continue to increase even if the debt ceiling isn't raised?
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 19, 2013 10:36:39 GMT
So......it doesn't surprise me that the Tea Party knows more about science than Democrats.
We can also assume that most people that are politically active probably have an IQ score greater than 100 and would probably know more about science that the average person. But there is a caveat.
Just because someone "knows" about science it doesn't imply that they "understand" science or that they "accept" scientific results.
I've had wonderful discussions with those I consider to be very intelligent and I've posted scientific studies. I believe that these people "know" about science but they don't seem to understand it nor accept it because they will dispute the studies based upon "opinion" as opposed to scientific methodologies. They will often state "I don't believe the results of the study" as opposed to providing another scientific study that provides support for a different conclusion. They might be very knowledgeable about statistical analysis which is a scientific study but then the won't accept the results of these studies or provide another statistical analysis that would dispute the results. In short they simply reject science based upon a bigoted opinion that the science proves wrong.
Ultimately I'd say that those I believe represent the Tea Party may be very intelligent but the problem is that they allow their unsupported bigoted opinions to over-ride their intelligence. To steal a quotation from the movie "I Robot" it could be summarized by the Will Smith line, "You're the stupidest smart person I know" when it comes to many in the Tea Party movement.
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