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Post by JP5 on Oct 24, 2013 23:46:49 GMT
VERY bad news for Democrats:
Nearly three-quarters of American voters are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the country today, and almost all of them rate the economy negatively. Moreover, as more Democrats join the ranks of the disaffected, the dissatisfaction is increasingly bipartisan.
That’s according to a Fox News national poll released Thursday.
Overall, the poll finds 73 percent of voters are dissatisfied with how things are going. That’s up from 63 percent who felt that way in July, and 53 percent last October.
Likewise, satisfaction with the country’s direction is down and now stands at 26 percent. A year ago it was 46 percent (October 2012).
www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/24/fox-news-poll-73-percent-dissatisfied-with-direction-country-up-20-points-from/
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 27, 2013 13:45:02 GMT
I don't know how the conclusion was made that the Democrats are in trouble.
Based upon this poll it appear that it's the Republicans that are in trouble and considered by most Americans as being responsible for the country going in the wrong direction.
Personally I don't believe any Republicans or Democrats should be elected to Congress and they should all be replaced with Libertarian candidates. Sort of goes along with the overall polls statistics cited and because most Americans don't believe that either most Republicans or most Democrats should be in Congress. Certainly replacing a Democrat with a Republican or a Republican with a Democrat doesn't accomplish anything because its the Democrats and Republicans combined that are driving America in the wrong direction.
When was the United State really going in the Right Direction? The 19th Century? We know for a fact that the Democrats began taking America in the wrong direction at least as early as FDR and that the Republicans have been taking America in the wrong direction since at least Nixon. The only bipartisan agenda in Congress today is the mutual desire of Republicans and Democrats to ultimately destroy America and Americans are slowing beginning to realize that fact. The more polarized the parties become, with the "social-conservatives" on one side and "progressive-liberals" on the other becoming more extreme, the more their combined efforts work towards destroying America.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 27, 2013 16:01:32 GMT
I don't know how the conclusion was made that the Democrats are in trouble.
Based upon this poll it appear that it's the Republicans that are in trouble and considered by most Americans as being responsible for the country going in the wrong direction.
Personally I don't believe any Republicans or Democrats should be elected to Congress and they should all be replaced with Libertarian candidates. Sort of goes along with the overall polls statistics cited and because most Americans don't believe that either most Republicans or most Democrats should be in Congress. Certainly replacing a Democrat with a Republican or a Republican with a Democrat doesn't accomplish anything because its the Democrats and Republicans combined that are driving America in the wrong direction.
When was the United State really going in the Right Direction? The 19th Century? We know for a fact that the Democrats began taking America in the wrong direction at least as early as FDR and that the Republicans have been taking America in the wrong direction since at least Nixon. The only bipartisan agenda in Congress today is the mutual desire of Republicans and Democrats to ultimately destroy America and Americans are slowing beginning to realize that fact. The more polarized the parties become, with the "social-conservatives" on one side and "progressive-liberals" on the other becoming more extreme, the more their combined efforts work towards destroying America.
. He said that he was not about to let an "extreme" fringe within one-third of the government rule on things. I forget his exact words....but he was trying to say the Tea Party is so unimportant and so small....and that Democrats are the majority of most of the government anyway. So.....in his opinion Republicans are pretty much a non-entity and to be ignored. The ONLY way in which Republicans would be so mad at their own leaders that it could make the Senate stronger and lose the House.....if IF they ALL simply stayed home and didn't vote. And that ain't gonna happen. Republicans know full-well that voting for even one of the old Republican cronies we'd like to see replaced means blocking Dems from taking over the House....and that's exactly what we'll do. In that case, it's simply the best of the two bad choices. |
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Post by JP5 on Oct 27, 2013 16:27:32 GMT
Also----most people know when they answer such a poll that "wrong direction" has to do with leadership......what the leadership is doing and how they are moving us. And since everyone knows that Democrats, having a Majority in the Senate AND the presidency, that it is Democrats leading the way right now.
I feel quite confident the poll is related to how the respondents feel about the leadership and how they are moving the country.
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 30, 2013 11:37:39 GMT
Also----most people know when they answer such a poll that "wrong direction" has to do with leadership......what the leadership is doing and how they are moving us. And since everyone knows that Democrats, having a Majority in the Senate AND the presidency, that it is Democrats leading the way right now.
I feel quite confident the poll is related to how the respondents feel about the leadership and how they are moving the country.
Seriously, we just went through a case where it was harmful to America to partially shut down the US government and where the just the threat of default on the debt created a widespread negative impact on the economic that will last for at least a year and maybe longer. This was extremely harmful to the entire US economy that has long lasting implications. The "Tea Party" Republicans refused to pass an extension of the spending authority and raising of the budget based solely upon the tactic of "extortion" in trying to implement their purely partisan agenda.
While the final legislation that reopened government did contain "political pork" that it shouldn't have contained the "right thing" for Congress to do was to pass an extending funding measure and debt ceiling increase without any other partisan criteria and that was exactly what the White House stated it wanted because it was important for America.
The President was providing "Leadership" based upon what was best for America but the "Tea Party" Republicans, with control of a purely partisan House vote, refused to follow the President's proposals that were "Right for America" so who should we blame? Remember that the House would have approved the Senate legislation to avoid the closure of government and raise the debt limit that was submitted to it on Sept 27th but a vote by the House on this legislation was denied by Speaker Boehner because the "majority" vote would have been predominately "Democrats" but it is undeniable that the House would have passed it. What was eventually passed wasn't that much different except more pork was thrown into the legislation.
When the "majority" of both Houses of Congress support the President but a majority vote is denied for partisan reasons that reflects obstructionism in Congress. We can't logically blame the President for partisan obstructionism in Congress.
Informed Americans know that the reason the country is going in the wrong direction is because of Congressional gridlock where "Tea Party" Republicans are holding the House hostage to their demands. That's why the poll I posted shows that 3/4ths of Americans believe that incumbent Republicans should be thrown out of office. Americans really do know where to assign the blame.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 30, 2013 16:32:07 GMT
Also----most people know when they answer such a poll that "wrong direction" has to do with leadership......what the leadership is doing and how they are moving us. And since everyone knows that Democrats, having a Majority in the Senate AND the presidency, that it is Democrats leading the way right now.
I feel quite confident the poll is related to how the respondents feel about the leadership and how they are moving the country.
On what planet does anyone think that a $17 TRILLION debt....soon moving to $21 TRILLION "good for America???" It was the president who said....."I will not negotiate on this issue; bring me a clean CR," meaning "my way or the highway."
Seriously, we just went through a case where it was harmful to America to partially shut down the US government and where the just the threat of default on the debt created a widespread negative impact on the economic that will last for at least a year and maybe longer. This was extremely harmful to the entire US economy that has long lasting implications. The "Tea Party" Republicans refused to pass an extension of the spending authority and raising of the budget based solely upon the tactic of "extortion" in trying to implement their purely partisan agenda.
So, just when DOES the Minority Republicans get to use any tools available to them to fight for what they know is right? Per you and Obama; never. I remember once when Harry Reid was in the Minority Senate and he made the public statement saying that as the Minority he would use EVERY TOOL available to him to fight the Republicans. You side with Democrats because you support what they want to do....and this is to continue spending and spending and spending us in to oblivion. Sorry, but I think you are at odds with most people on that point.
While the final legislation that reopened government did contain "political pork" that it shouldn't have contained the "right thing" for Congress to do was to pass an extending funding measure and debt ceiling increase without any other partisan criteria and that was exactly what the White House stated it wanted because it was important for America.
The president always says that and always uses that phrase when he's trying to run over the Republicans and the 1/2 of the nation they represent.
The President was providing "Leadership" based upon what was best for America but the "Tea Party" Republicans, with control of a purely partisan House vote, refused to follow the President's proposals that were "Right for America" so who should we blame? Remember that the House would have approved the Senate legislation to avoid the closure of government and raise the debt limit that was submitted to it on Sept 27th but a vote by the House on this legislation was denied by Speaker Boehner because the "majority" vote would have been predominately "Democrats" but it is undeniable that the House would have passed it. What was eventually passed wasn't that much different except more pork was thrown into the legislation.
Again....you support this president so much that you believe anytime he uses that phrase, "it's right for America," that he should be given anything he wants. BTW, "pork" was going to be in there either way; it always is. Democrats threw in the pork. Oh yes, part of it was a bribe to Mitch McConnell.....but it was Democrats who made the bribe. He accepted it....and for that he is getting a challenge in the Primaries.
When the "majority" of both Houses of Congress support the President but a majority vote is denied for partisan reasons that reflects obstructionism in Congress. We can't logically blame the President for partisan obstructionism in Congress.
And you must believe that Democrats, when in the Minority, never did such a thing. That's laughable. When Democrats did it to Bush, I don't recall you're saying....."we can't logically blame the President for partisan obstructionism." You are all about defending and protecting this president....no matter what.
Informed Americans know that the reason the country is going in the wrong direction is because of Congressional gridlock where "Tea Party" Republicans are holding the House hostage to their demands. That's why the poll I posted shows that 3/4ths of Americans believe that incumbent Republicans should be thrown out of office. Americans really do know where to assign the blame.
But as far as the direction of the country poll.....it's always about who is in charge. The Tea Party didn't name all the heads to all the federal departments....or all the other powerful positions. They had nothing to do with Obamacare, Benghazi, the IRS abuse, Fast & Furious, Obamacare website debacle, and the NSA spying. We're not sure who is running the country....as the awol president continues to claim he knows nothing about any of it. For all we know Dem money man George Soros is running the country...and they are only propping up this president.
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 30, 2013 17:34:37 GMT
Partisan power in the House only requires enough members of the "majority" party to prevent passage of legislation that is exclusively partisan. In short if over 35 members of the Republican Party are members of the Tea Party they have enough power to block purely partisan legislation. The House holding the government hostage while trying to use the shutdown as a tactic of extortion to impose the Republican agenda required the Tea Party members to vote for it and because they were required they dictated the terms of the legislation.
Everyone in America knows that.
The Tea Party hasn't made a single proposal that would balance the budget nor has the Tea Party proposed any significant spending cuts that wouldn't adversely affect the poorest people in America. The Tea Party members of the House won't even support tax code revisions that remove gross inequities in our tax codes if it results in one dime of increase in federal revenues.
I don't specifically endorse the proposals by the Democrats but I endorse the principle that spending cuts should not adversely affect the poorest of Americans and that tax revenues need to be increased by eliminating the inequities in our tax codes if we're going to balance the budget and the vast majority of Americans support this in principle.
Even if we limited the discussion of "Obamacare" the vast majority of Americans support the employer mandate, support the coverage of those with pre-existing conditions, and support the expansion of Medicaid to provide health care for the poorest of Americans. The Republican proposal for health care in America is "Do Nothing" to ensure any of these provisions in "Obamacare" and all would be lost by just repealing it and not replacing it instead.
The Tea Party is strictly an "Anti-Tax" organization and nothing more because it doesn't offer any positive legislation that would benefit Americans. The fact that it's primary targets for spending cuts are the poorest of Americans shows how little they actual care about the American People. We can't "balance the budget by denying necessary assistance to the poorest Americans" which is the only real spending reductions the Tea Party proposes and most Americans oppose these spending cuts.
SNAP is highly popular and most Americans believe it should be increased and not cut. Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are highly popular and most Americans believe the benefits should not be cut. Major provisions of "Obamacare" are highly popular and most Americans don't believe they should be cut. The Tea Party proposes cuts to SNAP, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the complete repeal of "Obamacare" that would wipe out the highly popular provisions in it.
And most Americans do believe that a balanced budget based upon removing inequities in the tax codes that increases revenues without adversely affecting the bottom 90% of Americans is necessary to balance the budget even when they don't know what those inequities are.
If there is any question about the Tea Party agenda its the fact that only 27% of Americans have a favorable opinion of it while 49% of Americans have a negative opinion. Almost twice as many Americans oppose the Tea Party, including many Republicans, than support it.
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/16/poll-tea-partys-favorable-numbers-take-a-hit/
Support for the Tea Party agenda is at it's lowest point historically since it became a political movement in America and it's continuing to decline. It's the legislative tactics and proposals made by the Tea Party Republicans in the House that is the primary cause of the huge opposition to the Tea Party in America today. Statements of "Principle" are one thing but believing that the "ends justify the means" simply doesn't float with the American People.
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