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Post by JP5 on Nov 4, 2013 2:42:01 GMT
.....to the tune of $4.2 BILLION/yr. Currently, the IRS allows undocumented residents to collect the $1,000 credit for dependents NOT even living in this country. Let's just support everybody.......why not, Harry says. He sees no problem with it.
"The House of Representatives repeatedly has passed an IRS bill that could save U.S. taxpayers $24.4 billion over the next 10 years — but Harry Reid’s Democratic Senate will not hear it.
The Refundable Child Tax Credit Eligibility Verification Reform Act, or H.R. 556, would require tax filers to provide Social Security numbers to claim child tax credits.
Currently, the IRS allows undocumented residents to collect the $1,000 credits for dependents not even living in the country. Watchdog reported that illegal immigrants received $4.2 billion from the tax agency in just one year.
“My bill (targets) billions of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse. Instead of hitting up taxpayers for even more taxes, Washington needs to go after these billions of dollars,” said U.S. Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas.
Though the GOP-controlled House has passed Johnson’s measure three times, Senate Majority Leader Reid, D-Nev., refuses to allow the bill to come up for a vote in his chamber."
www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/28/house-tries-blocking-illegal-irs-checks-harry-reid-says-system-working-fine/?intcmp=obinsite
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 5, 2013 12:59:29 GMT
.....to the tune of $4.2 BILLION/yr. Currently, the IRS allows undocumented residents to collect the $1,000 credit for dependents NOT even living in this country. Let's just support everybody.......why not, Harry says. He sees no problem with it.
Assuming the US worker is living separately from their spouse and the spouse is providing the care and the other conditions are met then under the above rules the child is a qualified dependents. Often for immigrant workers the fact is that their spouse and child might not even be allowed to immigrate to the United States although I do believe they receive a priority status in their application. Of course the "physical" location of where the separated spouse and child might be living (e.g. US, Mexico, or the North Pole) is irrelevant as long as the taxpayer is supporting them according to the IRS rules.
I find the requirement to include a SSN for either the spouse (that can also be claimed as a dependent of the taxpayer) and even more so the child to be absurd. If they're living in Mexico then they have no requirement for a US SS card and I don't believe the US government should be issuing Social Security cards to people that don't live or work in the United States. That's a downright absurd proposition. In fact I oppose issuing a Social Security card to anyone that doesn't need one for employment. I didn't get mine until I was 17 and needed it for a job. Issuing Social Security cards to infants and young pre-working age children is absurd.
Why should our government be tracking them and accumulating information on them? I thought that Republicans opposed the US government's excessive information collection on all of us so why would they support it here? Is this the "Don't collect information on me but collect it on them" type of hypocrisy we've come to expect from Republicans (Democrats have the same problem with "don't tax me but tax them instead")?
I'm sorry if some believe that tracking of the people by the federal government is so important but personally and politically I'm opposed to it. I'm also sorry for those that US taxation shouldn't be the same for every worker in America because I can't understand why they advocate unfair taxation. Personally I support fair taxation for everyone but some people believe is justifiable to rationalize the screwing of some taxpayers based upon prejudice.
A worker is a worker is a worker and a taxpayer is a taxpayer is a taxpayer and they should all be treated equally under the law. Apparently some have a problem with equality when it comes to taxation.
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Post by JP5 on Nov 6, 2013 0:15:56 GMT
Because Shiva.......an "immigrant" worker could list 10 children dependents in Mexico and we'd either 1) have to just take their word, or 2) spend money to investigate to see if they really are his children. Not possible. Besides.....American taxpayers HAVE to prove their dependents....so why would you want an exception for others who aren't American citizens? ??
It's hard to believe that anyone wants to so easily give taxpayer money away to people living in other countries.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 6, 2013 2:59:13 GMT
Because Shiva.......an "immigrant" worker could list 10 children dependents in Mexico and we'd either 1) have to just take their word, or 2) spend money to investigate to see if they really are his children. Not possible. Besides.....American taxpayers HAVE to prove their dependents....so why would you want an exception for others who aren't American citizens???
It's hard to believe that anyone wants to so easily give taxpayer money away to people living in other countries.
An invalid argument. An immigrant can file for Social Security cards for their children living in a foreign country and then list those SSN's on their tax return whether the children exist or not. Same requirement for the government to "verify" whether the children exist or not. Of course if the IRS questions the dependency status of a child listed on the tax return then it is the person, not the IRS, that has to document the claiming of the dependent is valid. Under IRS rules the person is "guilty until they prove their innocence" during an audit.
It is ironic to me that on the IRS website it advises people to get SSN's for their children and requires them to send in a copy of the child's birth certificate to obtain it but there is no federal law requiring a person to have a birth certificate. How can the federal government require a document that isn't required to issue a document that is required?
Logically we can't demand an immigrant to furnish their child's birth certificate when we don't know if their nation requires issuance of a birth certificate especially when we know that our own federal laws don't require it.
But what the hey, the laws should be identical for all taxpayers but as I noted I have a very serious problem with the requirements for Social Security cards for anyone that doesn't work in the United States and has no need to obtain the card.
Now here is a twist for the "conservatives" because if the spouse and child are issued a Social Security card then they are registered to receive full Social Security benefits afforded to a spouse or dependent child based upon the FICA/Payroll taxes of the worker. I can just see the "conservative" uproar when an immigrant worker dies in the United States and Social Security survivors benefits are sent the their spouse and children in Mexico. Of course the spouse and dependent children would be entitled to those benefits because the taxes were paid by the worker to provide the benefits but never let logic interfere with a "conservative's" outrage when Mexicans are involved.
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