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Post by cenydd on Jan 11, 2014 12:46:05 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25686208So is it a good idea, or is it just 'pointless'? On the one hand keeping teachings skills updated, especially in a world where technology and methodology are changing rapidly,seems a reasonable enough idea, but on the other is it entirely necessary to create such a huge bureaucratic system in order to do that?
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Post by iolo on Jan 11, 2014 13:34:05 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25686208So is it a good idea, or is it just 'pointless'? On the one hand keeping teachings skills updated, especially in a world where technology and methodology are changing rapidly,seems a reasonable enough idea, but on the other is it entirely necessary to create such a huge bureaucratic system in order to do that? It is just another way to bully teachers and thus please The Times and other extremist propagandists. Should lose Labour the election, together with its proposals to do without money from the only large organisations of voters, the unions. God bless Shirley Williams, that ghastly, incompetent Zuleika Dobson who brought all this about! |
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Post by fred on Jan 11, 2014 15:00:04 GMT
Labour governments tend to spend millions on really crap ideas or, on the odd occasion they come up with a good one like this, always have to find a one legged, black lesbian to administer the project, regardless of her ability to do the job.
The teaching profession is full of useless tossers with no clue and the schools can't sack them, so the kids' education suffers.
Regular tests for teachers to prove they're some good would sort out a lot of problems.
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Post by iolo on Jan 11, 2014 17:21:18 GMT
Labour governments tend to spend millions on really crap ideas or, on the odd occasion they come up with a good one like this, always have to find a one legged, black lesbian to administer the project, regardless of her ability to do the job. The teaching profession is full of useless tossers with no clue and the schools can't sack them, so the kids' education suffers. Regular tests for teachers to prove they're some good would sort out a lot of problems. Just because they didn't do anything for you......! (I need more words, apparently). |
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Post by fred on Jan 11, 2014 23:30:28 GMT
Labour governments tend to spend millions on really crap ideas or, on the odd occasion they come up with a good one like this, always have to find a one legged, black lesbian to administer the project, regardless of her ability to do the job. The teaching profession is full of useless tossers with no clue and the schools can't sack them, so the kids' education suffers. Regular tests for teachers to prove they're some good would sort out a lot of problems. Just because they didn't do anything for you......! (I need more words, apparently). With the exception of one, an evil bitch of a totally useless maths teacher, my tutors were fantastic. My science teachers made their subject come alive, as did all the other teachers (except that one silly cow). I learnt to understand and appreciate the Bard and understand his importance to our mother tongue, the finer points of science and the wonders it unlocked and, most importantly, I was instructed how to look at any question without bias or preconception. That, and our excellent debating society, has gifted me the ability to consider a point of debate from all sides, allowing my arguments to be effective and negating the need for silly insults. My insults are so subtle, only the intelligent are able to detect they've just been slapped in the face. Sadly, you probably have no idea what I've just suggested. Now consider this, if you feel the need to use insults instead of reason, I suggest your argument is weak or your ability to debate is poor. Either way, you're a waste of time on forums as you add nothing constructive and nothing worth considering. A debate is about trying to show others your point of view and attempting to make them consider your side of the argument. Perhaps you can explain how silly name calling assists in that endeavour. |
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Post by Oddquine on Jan 14, 2014 0:13:35 GMT
What teaching skills can be updated? You can either teach or you can't..like you can either play football to a decent level or you can't. If you bore the crap out of students..how are you going to update that ability? Boring kids on your subject just means that you don't like it either, but that is what you have been hired to teach so you go through the motions. Disciplinary tricks, maybe, in this day and age might be useful, but the idea is just doing something to be seen to be doing something.
The problem is that with everybody and their dog going to university, the level of ability of graduates has reduced along with the qualifications to get into university in the first place. It is what happened with nursing when it became a University nursing degree career path and not the calling it once was. Nowadays a lot of them are in nursing to get on the nursing manager career path...not to actually do day to day nursing and deal with patients...they know the theory behind everything but are either unable or unwilling to practice it..and teaching is now not a lot different.
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Post by fred on Jan 14, 2014 12:39:40 GMT
What teaching skills can be updated? Are you joking? Everything changes as time goes by, even the misquote of the words Rick didn't say to Sam. The last few years has seem massive technological advances and, if teachers can't keep up, the kids will know more than they do. No, retraining and keeping up with new ideas is essential. |
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Post by Oddquine on Jan 14, 2014 14:23:28 GMT
What teaching skills can be updated? Are you joking? Everything changes as time goes by, even the misquote of the words Rick didn't say to Sam. The last few years has seem massive technological advances and, if teachers can't keep up, the kids will know more than they do. No, retraining and keeping up with new ideas is essential. Isn't that what teacher inservice days are for......if not, what are they for? You can certainly keep up to date with new ideas and technology.......and I suppose even with the eternal box-ticking required by Government targets.....but that doesn't make anyone a good or effective teacher, just as a nursing degree and post-degree on-the-job training doesn't of itself make a good nurse. The skill is not in knowing how to use a tablet or laptop, turn on a TV and DVD player or use other digital technology...I can do that at 66 with no "training". If that was all it took, most children I know would be teaching by the age of twelve.......the skill is in knowing your subject, liking your subject and being able to communicate that knowledge and enthusiasm to the children so they are encouraged to explore the subject with your help and guidance. (Being able to spell and use grammar and punctuation appropriately helps as well.......but I should think basic literacy for teachers is not high on the requirements for re-licensing, unfortunately.) |
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Post by iolo on Jan 14, 2014 15:11:19 GMT
Are you joking? Everything changes as time goes by, even the misquote of the words Rick didn't say to Sam. The last few years has seem massive technological advances and, if teachers can't keep up, the kids will know more than they do. No, retraining and keeping up with new ideas is essential. Isn't that what teacher inservice days are for......if not, what are they for? You can certainly keep up to date with new ideas and technology.......and I suppose even with the eternal box-ticking required by Government targets.....but that doesn't make anyone a good or effective teacher, just as a nursing degree and post-degree on-the-job training doesn't of itself make a good nurse. The skill is not in knowing how to use a tablet or laptop, turn on a TV and DVD player or use other digital technology...I can do that at 66 with no "training". If that was all it took, most children I know would be teaching by the age of twelve.......the skill is in knowing your subject, liking your subject and being able to communicate that knowledge and enthusiasm to the children so they are encouraged to explore the subject with your help and guidance. (Being able to spell and use grammar and punctuation appropriately helps as well.......but I should think basic literacy for teachers is not high on the requirements for re-licensing, unfortunately.) The real problem is conning between twenty and thirty young people into believing you have any real power over them, and trying meanwhile to cope with the various evil effects of capitalism on individual people - hunger, abuse, bullying and so on - which tend to make them miserable and disruptive. Since you have actually no power, and since the political scumbags think you are a good target for persecution to make them more popular than the pox, you are on a hiding to nothing. Try it some time. |
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Post by fred on Jan 15, 2014 13:09:26 GMT
Isn't that what teacher inservice days are for......if not, what are they for? The real problem is conning between twenty and thirty young people into believing you have any real power over them, and trying meanwhile to cope with the various evil effects of capitalism on individual people - hunger, abuse, bullying and so on - which tend to make them miserable and disruptive. Since you have actually no power, and since the political scumbags think you are a good target for persecution to make them more popular than the pox, you are on a hiding to nothing. Try it some time. To answer our Scottish friend first; they're for falling asleep while some silly sod at the front talks bollocks. They're useless. Real training is done by reading up about new ideas, talking about them with the rest of the staff and working out the ones that'll benefit the kids. We also have teachers'forums so we may spread and discuss ideas widely. Now to the commie. Our job is not to be power mad, more to educate the kids in the ways of education as preparation for the harsh world out there. It's no good teaching the kids how to moan and groan about how people are better off than they are, you have to teach them how to be well off and exploit every opportunity that comes their way and, if none come, make some. As for the abuse, that rubbish is because they're too bloody thick to cope. The disruptive kids are just council house people that are more interested in smoking pot and stealing car stereos. Not even much good as workers, unless you need someone to unblock sewers. I teach the kids how to think and do for themselves, not be spoon fed and have their arses wiped. Our grade six lesson today was all about films - I used it to discuss the film industry, how money is made in that field and how to grab their bit of the cake. Luckily, one of the girls is already making rather a lot for starring in various local productions so we have a good example of one possible way to earn from the punters. We'll be looking at acting as well as many other possible ways to get a nice living from the industry. There will be not a single complaint from anyone, as our kids are all from good families, not council estate types that are more interested in an education about benefits form filling. |
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Post by Oddquine on Jan 16, 2014 2:39:27 GMT
Ah, you're a teacher! I might have guessed if I had thought about it. What is a Grade six lesson anyway? I was a pupil and the mother of pupils and now I am the grandmother of pupils......and some teachers are good, some teachers are hopeless...and if I'm going to be honest, many of even the better ones can't spell or punctuate for toffee.
I was certainly never spoon fed or had my arse wiped, and nor did my children or grandchildren,and I and my children managed very well without calculators, far less computers. In the days when the Scottish education system was superior to that in England, even calculators were not allowed so we had to learn to count in our own heads. Aids to not having to do anything but google is, imo, exactly what spoon feeding is.
Have to say I'm darn glad you don't teach my grandchildren...they are intelligent enough to realise you are an utter snob .....and what on earth does film studies and the making of money have to with education in a UK which struggles even to produce journalists with basic literacy skills?
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Post by fred on Jan 16, 2014 7:22:18 GMT
I'm in Indonesia and the kids are all from better homes.
I'm not a snob, just a Yorkshire lad, only with the brains to realise you have to work for what you want and, if you do it right, you get what you want.
It's films as in Hollywood and there's lots of potential for making cash but we also do a little about journalism, just a lot more limited as we don't have the expertise we need to teach it at more than a basic level.'
The reason the UK schools can't produce decent students is simple enough; you won't allow improvements and the unions are far more interested in workers'rights than they are about actually educating kids.
That daft attitude is why you produce more council house fools, filling in their dole forms.
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Post by iolo on Jan 17, 2014 17:39:46 GMT
The real problem is conning between twenty and thirty young people into believing you have any real power over them, and trying meanwhile to cope with the various evil effects of capitalism on individual people - hunger, abuse, bullying and so on - which tend to make them miserable and disruptive. Since you have actually no power, and since the political scumbags think you are a good target for persecution to make them more popular than the pox, you are on a hiding to nothing. Try it some time. To answer our Scottish friend first; they're for falling asleep while some silly sod at the front talks bollocks. They're useless. Real training is done by reading up about new ideas, talking about them with the rest of the staff and working out the ones that'll benefit the kids. We also have teachers'forums so we may spread and discuss ideas widely. Now to the commie. Our job is not to be power mad, more to educate the kids in the ways of education as preparation for the harsh world out there. It's no good teaching the kids how to moan and groan about how people are better off than they are, you have to teach them how to be well off and exploit every opportunity that comes their way and, if none come, make some. As for the abuse, that rubbish is because they're too bloody thick to cope. The disruptive kids are just council house people that are more interested in smoking pot and stealing car stereos. Not even much good as workers, unless you need someone to unblock sewers. I teach the kids how to think and do for themselves, not be spoon fed and have their arses wiped. Our grade six lesson today was all about films - I used it to discuss the film industry, how money is made in that field and how to grab their bit of the cake. Luckily, one of the girls is already making rather a lot for starring in various local productions so we have a good example of one possible way to earn from the punters. We'll be looking at acting as well as many other possible ways to get a nice living from the industry. There will be not a single complaint from anyone, as our kids are all from good families, not council estate types that are more interested in an education about benefits form filling. You obviously manage to fool yourself very well. It is the only way! Keep at it, and you'll make government yet!  |
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Post by fred on Jan 18, 2014 1:12:49 GMT
To answer our Scottish friend first; ...................... You obviously manage to fool yourself very well. It is the only way! Keep at it, and you'll make government yet! A friend of mine, William, did make government but I have no such ambition. I'm perfectly happy with my lot, making about 15 times minimum wage. Socialism is the domain of people who can't do well so they need to steal the fruits of other people's hard work. |
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Post by iolo on Jan 18, 2014 13:42:19 GMT
You obviously manage to fool yourself very well. It is the only way! Keep at it, and you'll make government yet! A friend of mine, William, did make government but I have no such ambition. I'm perfectly happy with my lot, making about 15 times minimum wage. Socialism is the domain of people who can't do well so they need to steal the fruits of other people's hard work. I bet you do as much work in a year as the rest of us do in a week, poor suffering bandit as you are! Go back and do some of this famous work, for goodness sake, and stop wasting other people's time! |
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