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Post by Admin on Jul 25, 2013 14:33:54 GMT
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Post by cenydd on Aug 22, 2013 13:31:32 GMT
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Post by JP5 on Aug 22, 2013 13:56:30 GMT
You are right on your last comment about it should have been noticed and addressed by the army. However, you must realize that at least here in the U.S. we live in a "pc" society. Most are so afraid to speak out and notice anything about gays, because they would be labeled "homophobes" and probably sued. Same with issues of race.
And now, he wants hormone therapy while in prison courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers.
The same happened with the Islamic murderer Hassan who is on trial right now. He should have been kicked out of the army and would have been had it been Christian and white. But he was Muslim and this administration cannot bring themselves to even call it what it was: an Islamic terrorist attack which killed 13 and wounded 30 more. Instead they still call it a "workplace violence" act. It's all utterly ridiculous and wrong.
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Post by Makedde on Aug 23, 2013 11:02:57 GMT
If Hassan was a Christian, and had shot multiple people dead, would conservatives be calling it a terrorist attack? Of course not - we both know it would be referred to as a workplace violence act, and that the shooter was mentally ill, blah blah. We shouldn't assume that just because a Muslim goes on a shooting rampage, that its a terrorist attack. We must see other attacks by Christians as being terror attacks as well. Fair is fair...
(I don't know how to quote, sorry)
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Post by cenydd on Aug 23, 2013 17:57:30 GMT
Absolutely. Should Robert Bales be considered a 'terrorist' after what he did?
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Post by JP5 on Aug 24, 2013 3:28:21 GMT
But Hassan has said he did it and why he did it. Workplace violence is where an employee is mad at their boss because they didn't get that raise.....or because they were being fired. Nothing like that had occurred here.
Plus, he yelled, "Allahu-Akbar" just like the 9/11 terrorist did when they were committing their terrorists acts. If you'll recall, war was declared by Islamic jihadists on the U.S. and the west. The results of the years-long study by the 9/11 Commission determined that the failure to stop 9/11 was due to the fact that the Islamic terrorists were at war with us, but we weren't at war with them.....so we cannot keep making that same mistake.
Hassan admitted he opened fire on fellow soldiers to protect Muslim insurgents abroad. And he also leaked documents during the trial where he told a psychiatrist that he could still be a martyr even if he was executed.
Yes, he's a terrorist.
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Post by Makedde on Aug 24, 2013 5:45:39 GMT
Are the Christians who bomb abortion clinics terrorists, or just messed up? What does it take for a Christian to be determined a terrorist, because it seems we apply the 'terrorist' label to Muslims way too often.
JMHO.
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Post by africanhope on Aug 24, 2013 7:19:08 GMT
JP, Manning is not gay, and that is not what the army should have picked up on. He is Transgender, which something totally different from being gay. A gay person does not want to change his or her gender, whilst transgendered feel they are the wrong gender.
There are thousands of nor,al functioning homosexuals in all militaries, and it is not a mental issue.
This young man however clearly had pscycological issues, his sexuality not being one of them, that the army screeners should have picked up on. Here is SA every soldier undergoes a yearly evaluation by a Social Worker and pscycologist, and things like these are picked up.
AH
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Post by JP5 on Aug 25, 2013 2:22:02 GMT
JP, Manning is not gay, and that is not what the army should have picked up on. He is Transgender, which something totally different from being gay. A gay person does not want to change his or her gender, whilst transgendered feel they are the wrong gender. There are thousands of nor,al functioning homosexuals in all militaries, and it is not a mental issue. This young man however clearly had pscycological issues, his sexuality not being one of them, that the army screeners should have picked up on. Here is SA every soldier undergoes a yearly evaluation by a Social Worker and pscycologist, and things like these are picked up. AH That doesn't change anything I said though. The army and everybody else is STILL afraid of highlighting or noticing any of it.....for fear of being sued or labeled. The army still should have picked up on the fact he had problems. He admits he had/has problems of an "identity crisis" and at least partially blames that on what he did. That's why he is now wanting hormone therapy while in prison so he can be a woman. I don't care if he wants to be a woman.....but do it on his own dime after he get out of prison IF he ever does. Why should taxpayers pay for it? He's already costs us considerably..... |
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Post by Makedde on Aug 25, 2013 3:12:48 GMT
Hormone treatment is expensive, and so is sex change surgery. The vast majority of transgendered people wouldn't be able to afford it. Should a person be denied the medical treatment they need simply because they can't afford it? Of course not - although with the health care system you have over there...people end up in debt to their eyeballs because they have massive medical bills to pay back.
All medical treatment should be taxpayer funded, if it is necessary.
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Post by JP5 on Aug 25, 2013 6:25:52 GMT
Hormone treatment is expensive, and so is sex change surgery. The vast majority of transgendered people wouldn't be able to afford it. Should a person be denied the medical treatment they need simply because they can't afford it? Of course not - although with the health care system you have over there...people end up in debt to their eyeballs because they have massive medical bills to pay back. All medical treatment should be taxpayer funded, if it is necessary. So....does Australia pay for transgender operations and hormone therapy during prison terms? |
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Post by cenydd on Aug 25, 2013 9:10:00 GMT
So....does Australia pay for transgender operations and hormone therapy during prison terms? The UK certainly has done. It's not exactly popular with many people, of course, but the NHS works on a system of medical need (not cash to pay). If someone is diagnosed with 'gender dysphoria' (which is a recognised medical condition, and involves considerably more than just saying 'I want to be a woman' one day, and there is a whole process of treatment (psychological as well as physical) to go through before any kind of surgery takes place, if it ever takes place) then the appropriate treatment is given. Prisoners are treated humanely, of course, and given appropriate medical treatment for diagnosed medical conditions, which is as it should be. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 25, 2013 11:46:33 GMT
I'm not sure about today but when I entered the US Army and was to handle classified and secret material I signed a contractual agreement with the US government where my liability was a maximum of 10 years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine if I disclosed any of that information. I've also signed a similar contractual agreement in the private sector when working on government programs.
So I have to ask when the liability for disclosure of secret material is limited by contract whether it's appropriate to disregard that contract? What purpose is the contract when it's very purpose is to establish liability related to disclosure of classified and/or secret material?
Personally I believe that the voluntary contract the person agrees to with the US government limits liability and the sentencing violates contract law.
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