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Post by ShivaTD on Jan 30, 2014 12:28:58 GMT
As the clock winds down on the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks Israel continues to make two completely unnecessary demands that can prevent a final agreement.
The first demand on the surface has merit because it addresses the future security of Israel. Israel wants a military security force predominately in Palestinian territory to ensure against attacks by the Palestinians. The Palestinians do not disagree with this requirement for a peace agreement. The problem is that Israel demands that it must be an Israeli military force but after 47 years of Israeli military occupation the Palestinians reject that proposal and instead insist that it be a third party military force preferring that NATO provide the security force. NATO forces would not just protect Israel from a Palestinian attack but would also protect the Palestinians from an Israeli attack. It provides for the mutual self defense of both the Palestinians and the Israelis. The Palestinians have a valid point in that the security forces should provide security to both sides and not just to one side in the final peace agreement.
Next is the demand that the Palestinians must recognize Israel as a "Jewish State" as opposed to simply recognizing Israel as an "Independent Sovereign State" (as is required per UNSC Resolution 242 from 1967). The national character of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with it's right to exist in peace within recognized international borders and has absolutely nothing to do with a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. Whether Israel is "Jewish" or "Christian" or a "Blue Man" nation has absolutely nothing to do with it's Right to Live in Peace with the Palestinians or other nation. The national character of a nation is only of relevance to the People of the Nation and not to any other nation. The national character is determined exclusively by the People of the Nation and not by anyone else.
It is time for Israel to drop their unnecessary demands and reach a final peace accord with the Palestinians based upon the fair and equitable requirements proposed almost 47 years ago by the UN Security Council in Resolution 242. The Palestinians fully agree with this provision of UNSC Resolution 242:
The Palestinians are willing to go so far as to allow an international military security force within the Palestinian territory to ensure the future peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
Israel must, in return, recognize the other provisions of UNSC Resolution that establish:
These are reasonable requirements for both sides of the conflict to secure a lasting peace and while the Palestinians agree completely with these requirements Israel continues to seek a one-sided peace agreement that leaves the Palestinians at risk and that imposed complete unnecessary requirements upon the Palestinians.
If the current peace negotiations fail the fault will be exclusively Israel's fault and not the Palestinians. If these peace negotiations fail exclusively because of Israel's unnecessary demands then it will be time for the international community of nations to take the matter into their hands and hold Israel responsible. It will be time for the UN Security Council to once again address the issue and use the authority granted to it to take action against Israel.
If the peace negotiations fail because of Israel's unnecessary demands it is time for economic sanctions to be imposed against Israel!
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Post by fred on Jan 31, 2014 1:44:06 GMT
I believe the idea of a security fence is a good idea, with modifications.
The fence should be a 50 foot wall and surround the whole of Israel.
Then fill the thing with water and see if Moses does his stuff or not.
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Post by ShivaTD on Jan 31, 2014 7:43:03 GMT
I believe the idea of a security fence is a good idea, with modifications. The fence should be a 50 foot wall and surround the whole of Israel. Then fill the thing with water and see if Moses does his stuff or not.
Now that is funny and it's always good to have a sense of humor even when people are dying needlessly.
What I was shocked, but not surprised at, was the Israel's Intelligence Minister whipping out the anti-Semite card in response.
Why it isn't surprising is because actually telling the truth about Israel or even questioning official Israeli statements is automatically defined as being anti-Semitic by the "Zionist" leaders of the Israeli government. What part of "Israel does not represent the Jewish People" does Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz and Benjiman Netanyahu not understand. Not all Jews are Israelis and even at a natioanal level not all Israeli Jews support the policies and actions of the Likud Party that they speak for.
Just because a person opposes the actions of Israel does not mean that they are opposed to the Jewish People. There is a huge difference between People and the Government. In fact, based upon the article, Intellegence Minister Steinitz apparently wants the Palestinian schools to teach the same distorted of history that Israeli propaganda provides as opposed to teaching the turth. It also opposes the Palestinian media of reporting the truth that is seldom heard in Israel.
An example is provided in the story related to a recent incident in the Occupied West Bank.
If the Palestinian news media reports that "the IDF stated that Mubarak was firing on them but that witnesses insisted he was unarmed" (and we don't know who's lying but someone is) it would be unbiased reporting but those like Steinitz and Netanyahu would call it being "inciteful" against Israel and anti-Semitic.
The real problem for Israel is that it's historical propaganda machine has used half-truths and fabrications for so long that has lost creditability. When the full truth is revealed and lays bare the false propaganda the only "card" the "Zionist Israelis" have left to play is the "anti-Semitic" card. The last thing the "Zionist Israelis" want is the truth to be revealed. news.yahoo.com/israel-minister-slams-abbas-39-no-1-39-115914363.html
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Post by fred on Feb 1, 2014 0:22:52 GMT
I was neither shocked nor surprised.
Israel does the "You must hates Jews" lines every time anyone mentions the slightest truth about Israel.
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Post by iolo on Mar 14, 2014 16:21:06 GMT
I was neither shocked nor surprised. Israel does the "You must hates Jews" lines every time anyone mentions the slightest truth about Israel. And stages a provocation any time an American President thinks a peace deal might help his chances. All they learned from Hitler was contempt for other 'races'. Sick! |
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Post by fred on Mar 14, 2014 22:58:28 GMT
I was neither shocked nor surprised. Israel does the "You must hates Jews" lines every time anyone mentions the slightest truth about Israel. And stages a provocation any time an American President thinks a peace deal might help his chances. All they learned from Hitler was contempt for other 'races'. Sick! With the exception of Stalin, I dislike comparing anyone to Hitler, especially the Israelis. Partially because this is generally an attempt at a stupid poke at Jews, but mostly because Israel isn't even as close to as efficient as Hitler at wiping out races. Of course, I'm pretty sure they'd have a better attempt if they thought they could get away with it and still keep American funding for the Jewish state. The rest of the post is accurate. Obama is trying to force Israel away from a Jewish states, using stolen land but he has to take it slowly as many in America are making far too much money and would probably have Obama popped off if they were going to lose it. As soon as a likely peace proposal went on the table, new settlements in occupied lands were announced. The extremists on the "Jewish state" side are very much against anything they see as Israel's promised land being lost. They love their history but will only go back as far as when David was king. If they go back a few more years, they find David invaded and built on occupied lands - not a lot changes. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Mar 20, 2014 10:50:44 GMT
And stages a provocation any time an American President thinks a peace deal might help his chances. All they learned from Hitler was contempt for other 'races'. Sick! With the exception of Stalin, I dislike comparing anyone to Hitler, especially the Israelis. Partially because this is generally an attempt at a stupid poke at Jews, but mostly because Israel isn't even as close to as efficient as Hitler at wiping out races. Of course, I'm pretty sure they'd have a better attempt if they thought they could get away with it and still keep American funding for the Jewish state.
The simple fact is that any nation founded upon race, religion, ethnic heritage, social class, gender, or other invidious criteria that divides the people is inherently tyrannical. All we can comment on is "relative" tyranny in their actions but there is no question that they are a nation founded based upon tyranny where the "rights of those not in power" will always be violated by the authority of "those in power" based upon the division of the people.
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Post by iolo on Mar 21, 2014 13:43:36 GMT
With the exception of Stalin, I dislike comparing anyone to Hitler, especially the Israelis. Partially because this is generally an attempt at a stupid poke at Jews, but mostly because Israel isn't even as close to as efficient as Hitler at wiping out races. Of course, I'm pretty sure they'd have a better attempt if they thought they could get away with it and still keep American funding for the Jewish state.
The simple fact is that any nation founded upon race, religion, ethnic heritage, social class, gender, or other invidious criteria that divides the people is inherently tyrannical. All we can comment on is "relative" tyranny in their actions but there is no question that they are a nation founded based upon tyranny where the "rights of those not in power" will always be violated by the authority of "those in power" based upon the division of the people.
The key point, surely, is that these Nazis have occupied a territory on which they have no conceivable claim? Obviously the ordinary people will need to stay there if they want, but all the ethnically cleansed and their descendants must get their property back, and the war-criminals be tried and, when found guilty, hanged. Why, otherwise, did we fight Hitler? |
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