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Post by pjohns1873 on Oct 22, 2014 21:00:36 GMT
Would you please cite the line in "the Israeli Declaration of Independence" that declares that the Jews are "the master race"? If a few non-Jews were "forced to leave Israel," that was certainly an anomaly. There are many non-Jews living in Israel now; including both Christians and Muslims. Your link, that is intended to prove the "threatening" nature of Israel, is to the words of then-UN Secretary General U Thant. I think I have previously made clear my views as regarding this atrocious international body; and, by extension, its spokespeople.
If you're looking for the words "master race" in the Israeli Declaration of Independence you won't find them but the fact that the Jews are clearly identified as being the masters of the government of Israel it is clearly addressed.
"ACCORDINGLY, WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL."
www.brijnet.org/israel50/decl-eng.htm
Anyone that is not a Jew is disparaged under the Israeli Declaration of Independence
We should also note that the Israeli Declaration of Independence is also full of misrepresentative and false statements as well. For example "On November 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted a Resolution calling for the establishment of an independent Jewish State" is a false statement. UNGA Resolution 181 was a recommendation for the consideration of ALL of the People of Palestine as a possible solution to the civil war started by the Zionist immigration of European Jews to Palestine and that proposal was rejected by the majority representatives of the Palestinian People (i.e. the Arab Council represented 2/3rds of all Palestinians in 1948). Additionally neither that Balfour Declaration or British Mandate for Palestine called for the establishment of a "Jewish State" in Palestine as both recognized the established rights of the native population that were overwhelmingly non-Jewish.
The estimates range from 400,000 to 700,000 non-Jewish people being forced from "Israel" in 1948. That's a little bit more than "a few non-Jews" being forced from Israel. It was a necessary requirement for Zionism to succeed because had these non-Jewish individuals not been forced to leave the territory then the Arabs would have outnumbered the Jews in what became Israel.
Even though we may disagree with someone that don't mean that they aren't telling the truth and the words of then-UN Secretary General U Thant were highly accurate. For example Israel was threatening Egypt over the closure of the Straits of Turin even though Israel hadn't used the Straits for any purpose for years. No Israeli ships were using the Straits of Turin and no Israeli ships were ever denied passage throught the Straits.
We should also remember that Israel had invaded Jordan in 1966 and that, according to Mosha Dayan the conflict with Syria was being provoked exclusively for the acquisition of the farm lands of the Golan Heights. In Mosha Dayan's own words:
"Along the Syria border there were no farms and no refugee camps — there was only the Syrian army... The kibbutzim saw the good agricultural land ... and they dreamed about it... They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land... We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us."
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan
In 1967 Israel wanted the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and E Jerusalem and that was the reason Israel launched a war against Egypt, Jordan, and Syria (even after Syria had agreed to a UN ceasefire agreement). Dayan was the Israeli military commander on the Syrian border and, as noted in his statement, Syria was not a threat to Israel and the Israeli invasion of Syria had absolutely nothing to do with self-defense of Israel. Equally true the invasions of Egypt and Jordan had absolutely nothing to do with the self-defense of Israel but instead was a "land grab" by Israel that wanted all of Palestine (which many Israelies are still advocating for and they seek to evict all non-Jews from that territory just as they did in what became Israel in 1948). Israel was provoking the conflict as a means of rationalizing an invasion. The goal of the Zionists to control all of Palestine was not a secret then or now. If Israel thought it could get away with it today it would force all of the Arabs out of Palestine and take over complete control. We know that is a fact based upon the historic Zionist agenda. It's mistrepresentation of the Balfour Declaration and British Mandate for Palestine in the Israeli Declaration of Independence supports the Zionist goal of controlling ALL of what was Palestine at the end of WW I.
You are far from the first person I have heard either quoting or alluding to the words of Moshe Dayan. It is as if you all came to a predetermined conclusion; and then sought out the words of the one peraon who might reinforce that preceoceived belief. Yes, Israel is, indeed, the (world's only) Jewish state. What is wrong with that? The Arabs have many states. And given the history of the Holocaust, it does not strike me as being at all unreasonable--let alone "racist"--for the Jews to desire their own state. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 23, 2014 12:49:27 GMT
You are far from the first person I have heard either quoting or alluding to the words of Moshe Dayan. It is as if you all came to a predetermined conclusion; and then sought out the words of the one peraon who might reinforce that preceoceived belief. Yes, Israel is, indeed, the (world's only) Jewish state. What is wrong with that? The Arabs have many states. And given the history of the Holocaust, it does not strike me as being at all unreasonable--let alone "racist"--for the Jews to desire their own state.
There are three reasons why Mosha Dayan is cited. First he was a senior Israeli military commander at the time and actually knew what was going on at the time both in general from an Israeli military and political perspective and specifically related to the actual Israeli actions on the Syrian front. Next is that he was willing to be forthright about the fact that the 1967 6-Day war was not about the defense of Israel but instead was based upon the long-standing Zionist agenda of an eventual take-over of all of Palestine and not just the land that the Jews had been able to acquire in 1948. Finally because he is a Zionist hero and his statements are unimpeachable even by the Zionists.
To broaden the specific definition to include ethnic heritage and religion it's because the Arab-Muslim nations and Israel are founded upon RACISM! I thought you opposed racism but apparently not.
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Post by pjohns1873 on Oct 24, 2014 23:22:27 GMT
You are far from the first person I have heard either quoting or alluding to the words of Moshe Dayan. It is as if you all came to a predetermined conclusion; and then sought out the words of the one peraon who might reinforce that preceoceived belief. Yes, Israel is, indeed, the (world's only) Jewish state. What is wrong with that? The Arabs have many states. And given the history of the Holocaust, it does not strike me as being at all unreasonable--let alone "racist"--for the Jews to desire their own state. There are three reasons why Mosha Dayan is cited. First he was a senior Israeli military commander at the time and actually knew what was going on at the time both in general from an Israeli military and political perspective and specifically related to the actual Israeli actions on the Syrian front. Next is that he was willing to be forthright about the fact that the 1967 6-Day war was not about the defense of Israel but instead was based upon the long-standing Zionist agenda of an eventual take-over of all of Palestine and not just the land that the Jews had been able to acquire in 1948. Finally because he is a Zionist hero and his statements are unimpeachable even by the Zionists.
To broaden the specific definition to include ethnic heritage and religion it's because the Arab-Muslim nations and Israel are founded upon RACISM! I thought you opposed racism but apparently not.
More accurately-- much more accurately--Israel was founded upon the determination that the Jewish people would never again be made subject to possible extermination. (Your own definition is certainly, well, a most interesting definition of the word, "racism.") Your assessment of Moshe Dayan's words--that he (allegedly) was "willing to be forthright"--places you in the question-begging position of assuming the veracity of his words, just because they are congenial to your own worldview. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 25, 2014 6:10:32 GMT
There are three reasons why Mosha Dayan is cited. First he was a senior Israeli military commander at the time and actually knew what was going on at the time both in general from an Israeli military and political perspective and specifically related to the actual Israeli actions on the Syrian front. Next is that he was willing to be forthright about the fact that the 1967 6-Day war was not about the defense of Israel but instead was based upon the long-standing Zionist agenda of an eventual take-over of all of Palestine and not just the land that the Jews had been able to acquire in 1948. Finally because he is a Zionist hero and his statements are unimpeachable even by the Zionists.
To broaden the specific definition to include ethnic heritage and religion it's because the Arab-Muslim nations and Israel are founded upon RACISM! I thought you opposed racism but apparently not.
More accurately-- much more accurately--Israel was founded upon the determination that the Jewish people would never again be made subject to possible extermination. (Your own definition is certainly, well, a most interesting definition of the word, "racism.") Your assessment of Moshe Dayan's words--that he (allegedly) was "willing to be forthright"--places you in the question-begging position of assuming the veracity of his words, just because they are congenial to your own worldview.
The Zionist movement existed for well over 50 years prior to the Holocaust and it had nothing to do with preventing the "extermination" of the Jewish people that wasn't even a consideration until years after Hitler and the Nazis came to power Germany. No one even conceived of the possibility of the Holocaust when the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate for Palestine were created when the immigration of European Jews, against the will of the Palestinian People, began. Don't give me this revisionist history that Israel had anything to do with preventing the extermination of the Jewish People as the wheels had been set in motion long before that was ever a consideration.
Yes, I hold that racial, religious, and ethnic heritage "supremacy" all stem from the same dispicable root cause and it is equally appropriate to refer to them under the general term "racism" as there is no fundamental difference. They are all forms of hatred being expressed against another people based upon invidious criteria. Hitler, with his belief in White Supremacy in Germany, is fundamentally no different than Ali Khamenei's belief in Islamic Supremacy in Iran and Netanyahu's belief of Jewish Supremacy in Israel. Their ideologies of racial/religious/ethnic Supremacy are all cut from the same cloth.
Oh there are many authorities that also acknowledge that Israel provoked and initiated the 1967 6-Day to steal territory from the Arabs and they can all be cited but the one that can't be discarded as having anything to gain from such a disclosure is Mosha Dayan as he was one of the most respected leaders of the Zionist cause and Israeli hero. I cited Mosha Dayan not because he was the only source but instead because he is an unimpeachable source.
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Post by pjohns1873 on Oct 25, 2014 19:39:21 GMT
More accurately-- much more accurately--Israel was founded upon the determination that the Jewish people would never again be made subject to possible extermination. (Your own definition is certainly, well, a most interesting definition of the word, "racism.") Your assessment of Moshe Dayan's words--that he (allegedly) was "willing to be forthright"--places you in the question-begging position of assuming the veracity of his words, just because they are congenial to your own worldview.
The Zionist movement existed for well over 50 years prior to the Holocaust and it had nothing to do with preventing the "extermination" of the Jewish people that wasn't even a consideration until years after Hitler and the Nazis came to power Germany. No one even conceived of the possibility of the Holocaust when the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate for Palestine were created when the immigration of European Jews, against the will of the Palestinian People, began. Don't give me this revisionist history that Israel had anything to do with preventing the extermination of the Jewish People as the wheels had been set in motion long before that was ever a consideration.
Yes, I hold that racial, religious, and ethnic heritage "supremacy" all stem from the same dispicable root cause and it is equally appropriate to refer to them under the general term "racism" as there is no fundamental difference. They are all forms of hatred being expressed against another people based upon invidious criteria. Hitler, with his belief in White Supremacy in Germany, is fundamentally no different than Ali Khamenei's belief in Islamic Supremacy in Iran and Netanyahu's belief of Jewish Supremacy in Israel. Their ideologies of racial/religious/ethnic Supremacy are all cut from the same cloth.
Oh there are many authorities that also acknowledge that Israel provoked and initiated the 1967 6-Day to steal territory from the Arabs and they can all be cited but the one that can't be discarded as having anything to gain from such a disclosure is Mosha Dayan as he was one of the most respected leaders of the Zionist cause and Israeli hero. I cited Mosha Dayan not because he was the only source but instead because he is an unimpeachable source.
I would imagine that most of those "many authorities" whom you might cite are left-leaning sources; so you (like most others who take your position) have cited Moshe Dayan instead. Regardless of whatever had been theorized in prior times. the state of Israel would probably never have come into existence without the Holocaust. It was surely the animating event, in this regard. And what has Benjamin Netanyahu ever said that (in your opinion) would translate to a belief in "Jewish Supremacy"? |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 27, 2014 11:45:12 GMT
I would imagine that most of those "many authorities" whom you might cite are left-leaning sources; so you (like most others who take your position) have cited Moshe Dayan instead. Regardless of whatever had been theorized in prior times. the state of Israel would probably never have come into existence without the Holocaust. It was surely the animating event, in this regard. And what has Benjamin Netanyahu ever said that (in your opinion) would translate to a belief in "Jewish Supremacy"?
Anyone that opposes tyranny is a "left-leaning" person so of course anyone that cites the tyranny of Israel is left-leaning.
Why were the people of Palestine, 2/3rds of which were non-Jewish, made to suffer for the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis?
Aryan Nation = White Supremacy Muslim State = Islamic Supremacy Jewish State = Jewish Supremacy
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Post by pjohns1873 on Oct 27, 2014 19:42:09 GMT
I would imagine that most of those "many authorities" whom you might cite are left-leaning sources; so you (like most others who take your position) have cited Moshe Dayan instead. Regardless of whatever had been theorized in prior times. the state of Israel would probably never have come into existence without the Holocaust. It was surely the animating event, in this regard. And what has Benjamin Netanyahu ever said that (in your opinion) would translate to a belief in "Jewish Supremacy"?
Anyone that opposes tyranny is a "left-leaning" person so of course anyone that cites the tyranny of Israel is left-leaning.
Why were the people of Palestine, 2/3rds of which were non-Jewish, made to suffer for the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis?
Aryan Nation = White Supremacy Muslim State = Islamic Supremacy Jewish State = Jewish Supremacy
And I see that you cannot cite any words of Prime Minister Netanyahu that would indicate a belief in "Jewish sypremacy"... |
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Post by pjohns1873 on Oct 27, 2014 19:47:17 GMT
I would imagine that most of those "many authorities" whom you might cite are left-leaning sources; so you (like most others who take your position) have cited Moshe Dayan instead. Regardless of whatever had been theorized in prior times. the state of Israel would probably never have come into existence without the Holocaust. It was surely the animating event, in this regard. And what has Benjamin Netanyahu ever said that (in your opinion) would translate to a belief in "Jewish Supremacy"?
Anyone that opposes tyranny is a "left-leaning" person so of course anyone that cites the tyranny of Israel is left-leaning.
Why were the people of Palestine, 2/3rds of which were non-Jewish, made to suffer for the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis?
Aryan Nation = White Supremacy Muslim State = Islamic Supremacy Jewish State = Jewish Supremacy
No, but most of the people who oppose the state of Israel in favor of the so-called "Palestinian movement" lean leftward. And the Jewish people have suffered persecution for literally millennia. That is the reason for the so-called "Diaspora." The Holocaust was merely the apotheosis of this anti-Semitic sentiment; without which, the state of Israel would probably never have been realized. And I see that you cannot cite any words of Prime Minister Netanyahu that would indicate a belief in "Jewish sypremacy"... |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 28, 2014 4:40:56 GMT
Anyone that opposes tyranny is a "left-leaning" person so of course anyone that cites the tyranny of Israel is left-leaning.
Why were the people of Palestine, 2/3rds of which were non-Jewish, made to suffer for the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis?
Aryan Nation = White Supremacy Muslim State = Islamic Supremacy Jewish State = Jewish Supremacy
And I see that you cannot cite any words of Prime Minister Netanyahu that would indicate a belief in "Jewish sypremacy"...
"The purpose of the Jewish state is to secure the Jewish future." Benjamin Netanyahu
Translation: "F" all of the Arab Israeli citizens because they'll never have any actual say in our government and "F" all of the Arab Palestinians and their homeland.
Since 1922 the Zionist mantra has been "F" the Arabs and their homeland because we're going to take it away from them with terrorism and tyranny. History has shown the Zionists to be very good at fulfilling their agenda and the Arabs have paid the price in blood. The Arabs have permanently lost a huge part of their homeland and the rest is in jeopardy today as the State of Israel refused to leave the occupied territory even though the Arabs promise peace and security for Israel if they do. Netanyahu doesn't want peace. Netanyahu wants the West Bank, the Golan Heights and E Jerusalem which is what the 1967 6-Day War was all about. If Israel doesn't secure that land the the invasion of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria would have been for naught.
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 28, 2014 5:06:31 GMT
Anyone that opposes tyranny is a "left-leaning" person so of course anyone that cites the tyranny of Israel is left-leaning.
Why were the people of Palestine, 2/3rds of which were non-Jewish, made to suffer for the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis?
Aryan Nation = White Supremacy Muslim State = Islamic Supremacy Jewish State = Jewish Supremacy
No, but most of the people who oppose the state of Israel in favor of the so-called "Palestinian movement" lean leftward. And the Jewish people have suffered persecution for literally millennia. That is the reason for the so-called "Diaspora." The Holocaust was merely the apotheosis of this anti-Semitic sentiment; without which, the state of Israel would probably never have been realized. And I see that you cannot cite any words of Prime Minister Netanyahu that would indicate a belief in "Jewish sypremacy"...
I don't oppose Israel. I oppose tyranny. I oppose all forms of tyranny. I oppose Muslim tyranny. Hindu tyranny. Racist tyranny. Religious tyranny. Zionism is a political ideology of tyranny based upon Jewish Supremacy and that is why I oppose Zionism. I would remind you that not all Israeli citizens are Zionists and many oppose Zionism. The Likud Party is the political party of Zionism and it is an ultra right-wing party of tyranny that is akin, in many respects, to the hundreds of extremist right-wing political groups in America.
The Arab farmers, laborers, shop keepers, and their families living peacefully in "Palestine" where some had roots going back hundreds of years were not responsible for the Roman occupation of "Palestine" nor were they responsible for the persecution of Jews in Europe. "Palestine" was their homeland and no one had the right to take it away from them based upon some ancient claim nor because they were being persecuted in other far-off countries.
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Post by pjohns1873 on Oct 29, 2014 20:11:13 GMT
And I see that you cannot cite any words of Prime Minister Netanyahu that would indicate a belief in "Jewish sypremacy"...
"The purpose of the Jewish state is to secure the Jewish future." Benjamin Netanyahu
Translation: "F" all of the Arab Israeli citizens because they'll never have any actual say in our government and "F" all of the Arab Palestinians and their homeland.
Since 1922 the Zionist mantra has been "F" the Arabs and their homeland because we're going to take it away from them with terrorism and tyranny. History has shown the Zionists to be very good at fulfilling their agenda and the Arabs have paid the price in blood. The Arabs have permanently lost a huge part of their homeland and the rest is in jeopardy today as the State of Israel refused to leave the occupied territory even though the Arabs promise peace and security for Israel if they do. Netanyahu doesn't want peace. Netanyahu wants the West Bank, the Golan Heights and E Jerusalem which is what the 1967 6-Day War was all about. If Israel doesn't secure that land the the invasion of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria would have been for naught.
Of course Israel's continued possessing of the Golan Heights is of extreme importance. Without it, Israel would be in a severe disadvantage in any future war with Syria. And the desire of the Jews for a homeland--after literally millennia of persecution--simply does not translate into a doctrine of "'F' the Arabs"... |
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Post by pjohns1873 on Oct 29, 2014 20:14:44 GMT
No, but most of the people who oppose the state of Israel in favor of the so-called "Palestinian movement" lean leftward. And the Jewish people have suffered persecution for literally millennia. That is the reason for the so-called "Diaspora." The Holocaust was merely the apotheosis of this anti-Semitic sentiment; without which, the state of Israel would probably never have been realized. And I see that you cannot cite any words of Prime Minister Netanyahu that would indicate a belief in "Jewish sypremacy"...
I don't oppose Israel. I oppose tyranny. I oppose all forms of tyranny. I oppose Muslim tyranny. Hindu tyranny. Racist tyranny. Religious tyranny. Zionism is a political ideology of tyranny based upon Jewish Supremacy and that is why I oppose Zionism. I would remind you that not all Israeli citizens are Zionists and many oppose Zionism. The Likud Party is the political party of Zionism and it is an ultra right-wing party of tyranny that is akin, in many respects, to the hundreds of extremist right-wing political groups in America.
The Arab farmers, laborers, shop keepers, and their families living peacefully in "Palestine" where some had roots going back hundreds of years were not responsible for the Roman occupation of "Palestine" nor were they responsible for the persecution of Jews in Europe. "Palestine" was their homeland and no one had the right to take it away from them based upon some ancient claim nor because they were being persecuted in other far-off countries.
Your observation that "Zionism" is tantamount to "tyranny" pretty well says it all. Likewise, your belief that Likud is simply off the charts in its political views dovetails with your (apparently) similar views as regarding the GOP in the US... |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 30, 2014 12:10:52 GMT
"The purpose of the Jewish state is to secure the Jewish future." Benjamin Netanyahu
Translation: "F" all of the Arab Israeli citizens because they'll never have any actual say in our government and "F" all of the Arab Palestinians and their homeland.
Since 1922 the Zionist mantra has been "F" the Arabs and their homeland because we're going to take it away from them with terrorism and tyranny. History has shown the Zionists to be very good at fulfilling their agenda and the Arabs have paid the price in blood. The Arabs have permanently lost a huge part of their homeland and the rest is in jeopardy today as the State of Israel refused to leave the occupied territory even though the Arabs promise peace and security for Israel if they do. Netanyahu doesn't want peace. Netanyahu wants the West Bank, the Golan Heights and E Jerusalem which is what the 1967 6-Day War was all about. If Israel doesn't secure that land the the invasion of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria would have been for naught.
Of course Israel's continued possessing of the Golan Heights is of extreme importance. Without it, Israel would be in a severe disadvantage in any future war with Syria. And the desire of the Jews for a homeland--after literally millennia of persecution--simply does not translate into a doctrine of "'F' the Arabs"...
I was unaware of Israel's future intentions of invading Syria again. Should we assume it will be similar to 1967 where first Israel provokes Syria and then invades it without any reason or cause?
There was one problem with the Zionist movement. "Palestine" was created as a geopolitical territory for the "Palestinians" (i.e. Predominately Arabs with a minority population of Jews and Christians) at the end of the First World War and it was their homeland. The European Jews were all natural born citizens of their European countries of origin and if they have a problem with persecution in their native countries then it was a problem that needed to be addressed in their native European countries that were already their homeland.
We even know today that the Zionist's claims that the European Jews are descended from the Jews living in Judea prior to the disporia is a myth. Most European Jews are of European descent from around the 7th to 11th Centuries and have no genetic ties to the Middle East.
"The new findings contradict previous assertions that Ashkenazi mitochondrial lineages originated in the Near East, or from mass conversions to Judaism in the Khazar kingdom, an empire in the north Caucasus region between Europe and Asia lasting from the 7th century to the 11th century whose leaders adopted Judaism. “We found that most of the maternal lineages don’t trace to the north Caucasus, which would be a proxy for the Khazarians, or to the Near East, but most of them emanate from Europe,” said coauthor Martin Richards, an archaeogeneticist at the University of Huddersfield in the U.K.
Richards and colleagues’ story “seems reasonable,” said Harry Ostrer, a human geneticist at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University in New York City who was not involved in the study. “It certainly fits with what we understand about Jewish history.”
The Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of Jews today and most recently have ancestry in central or Eastern Europe."
www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/
In short, as with most of the Zionist propaganda, the initial claim that Israel (Judea) is the ancestrial homeland of European the Jews was a lie. The majority of the Jews of today have no historical linkage to the Middle East prior to the 20th Century.
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Post by pjohns1873 on Oct 31, 2014 19:06:13 GMT
Of course Israel's continued possessing of the Golan Heights is of extreme importance. Without it, Israel would be in a severe disadvantage in any future war with Syria. And the desire of the Jews for a homeland--after literally millennia of persecution--simply does not translate into a doctrine of "'F' the Arabs"...
I was unaware of Israel's future intentions of invading Syria again. Should we assume it will be similar to 1967 where first Israel provokes Syria and then invades it without any reason or cause?
There was one problem with the Zionist movement. "Palestine" was created as a geopolitical territory for the "Palestinians" (i.e. Predominately Arabs with a minority population of Jews and Christians) at the end of the First World War and it was their homeland. The European Jews were all natural born citizens of their European countries of origin and if they have a problem with persecution in their native countries then it was a problem that needed to be addressed in their native European countries that were already their homeland.
We even know today that the Zionist's claims that the European Jews are descended from the Jews living in Judea prior to the disporia is a myth. Most European Jews are of European descent from around the 7th to 11th Centuries and have no genetic ties to the Middle East.
"The new findings contradict previous assertions that Ashkenazi mitochondrial lineages originated in the Near East, or from mass conversions to Judaism in the Khazar kingdom, an empire in the north Caucasus region between Europe and Asia lasting from the 7th century to the 11th century whose leaders adopted Judaism. “We found that most of the maternal lineages don’t trace to the north Caucasus, which would be a proxy for the Khazarians, or to the Near East, but most of them emanate from Europe,” said coauthor Martin Richards, an archaeogeneticist at the University of Huddersfield in the U.K.
Richards and colleagues’ story “seems reasonable,” said Harry Ostrer, a human geneticist at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University in New York City who was not involved in the study. “It certainly fits with what we understand about Jewish history.”
The Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of Jews today and most recently have ancestry in central or Eastern Europe."
www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/
In short, as with most of the Zionist propaganda, the initial claim that Israel (Judea) is the ancestrial homeland of European the Jews was a lie. The majority of the Jews of today have no historical linkage to the Middle East prior to the 20th Century.
To claim that "[t]he majority of the Jews of today have no historical linkage to the Middle East prior to the 20th Century" is surely to engage in historical revisionism. And it entirely ignores the Diaspora. (Even Jews living in Europe in the twentieth century--prior to Hitler's attempt to annihilate them--can trace their ancestory back to the Middle East.) And your churlish attempt to paint Israel as the aggressor in any future war with Syria also bespeaks your anti-Israeli bias... |
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 1, 2014 13:55:29 GMT
I was unaware of Israel's future intentions of invading Syria again. Should we assume it will be similar to 1967 where first Israel provokes Syria and then invades it without any reason or cause?
There was one problem with the Zionist movement. "Palestine" was created as a geopolitical territory for the "Palestinians" (i.e. Predominately Arabs with a minority population of Jews and Christians) at the end of the First World War and it was their homeland. The European Jews were all natural born citizens of their European countries of origin and if they have a problem with persecution in their native countries then it was a problem that needed to be addressed in their native European countries that were already their homeland.
We even know today that the Zionist's claims that the European Jews are descended from the Jews living in Judea prior to the disporia is a myth. Most European Jews are of European descent from around the 7th to 11th Centuries and have no genetic ties to the Middle East.
"The new findings contradict previous assertions that Ashkenazi mitochondrial lineages originated in the Near East, or from mass conversions to Judaism in the Khazar kingdom, an empire in the north Caucasus region between Europe and Asia lasting from the 7th century to the 11th century whose leaders adopted Judaism. “We found that most of the maternal lineages don’t trace to the north Caucasus, which would be a proxy for the Khazarians, or to the Near East, but most of them emanate from Europe,” said coauthor Martin Richards, an archaeogeneticist at the University of Huddersfield in the U.K.
Richards and colleagues’ story “seems reasonable,” said Harry Ostrer, a human geneticist at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University in New York City who was not involved in the study. “It certainly fits with what we understand about Jewish history.”
The Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of Jews today and most recently have ancestry in central or Eastern Europe."
www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/
In short, as with most of the Zionist propaganda, the initial claim that Israel (Judea) is the ancestrial homeland of European the Jews was a lie. The majority of the Jews of today have no historical linkage to the Middle East prior to the 20th Century.
To claim that "[t]he majority of the Jews of today have no historical linkage to the Middle East prior to the 20th Century" is surely to engage in historical revisionism. And it entirely ignores the Diaspora. (Even Jews living in Europe in the twentieth century--prior to Hitler's attempt to annihilate them--can trace their ancestory back to the Middle East.) And your churlish attempt to paint Israel as the aggressor in any future war with Syria also bespeaks your anti-Israeli bias...
Did you fail to read the link completely? The genetic evidence establishes that the majority of European Jews have no historical linkage to the Middle East. They were "converts" to Judism that have no hereditary ties to the time of the disporia. They are and have always been Europeans.
Not a single living Jew can trace their family lineage back to the Middle East at the time of the disporia. Even you should be aware of that fact.
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