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12th
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The feds are making us safer again. Feel it? Jul 27, 2013 1:07:27 GMT

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Post by 12th on Jul 27, 2013 1:07:27 GMT

news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57595529-38/feds-tell-web-firms-to-turn-over-user-account-passwords/

The U.S. government has demanded that major Internet companies divulge users' stored passwords, according to two industry sources familiar with these orders, which represent an escalation in surveillance techniques that has not previously been disclosed.
If the government is able to determine a person's password, which is typically stored in encrypted form, the credential could be used to log in to an account to peruse confidential correspondence or even impersonate the user. Obtaining it also would aid in deciphering encrypted devices in situations where passwords are reused.
"I've certainly seen them ask for passwords," said one Internet industry source who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We push back."....

Someone is gonna come in here and try to downplay this just like they downplay TSA searches at airports. When does it matter? Does it have to happen to you?

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The feds are making us safer again. Feel it? Jul 27, 2013 3:25:34 GMT

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Post by JP5 on Jul 27, 2013 3:25:34 GMT

Problem is....we have a president and an administration unwilling to tell us the truth. And we now have a press and media so "in bed" with this administration that the questions don't even get asked anymore. Obama has not kept his promise about being the "most open" administration ever. He's done just the opposite. He's made everything a lot more secretive. No one can truly trust this administration. No one.

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The feds are making us safer again. Feel it? Jul 28, 2013 20:28:02 GMT

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Post by Daisy on Jul 28, 2013 20:28:02 GMT

Jul 27, 2013 3:25:34 GMT JP5 said:

Problem is....we have a president and an administration unwilling to tell us the truth. And we now have a press and media so "in bed" with this administration that the questions don't even get asked anymore. Obama has not kept his promise about being the "most open" administration ever. He's done just the opposite. He's made everything a lot more secretive. No one can truly trust this administration. No one.

When someone professes something as strongly as he did about being "the most open", it is like saying "look out, I got a surprise for you." We got our surprise, when he held his secret or private meeting with the press, or the ones that would attend. That was quickly forgotten about once the Zimmerman trial heated up. Never let a crisis go to waste. How soon we forget.

We also use passwords to access bank accounts, credit card accounts, and investment accounts on the internet. Nothing is sacred anymore. Can you imagine if an unscrupulous employee gets his hands on a password to a large bank account.

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The feds are making us safer again. Feel it? Jul 29, 2013 1:28:51 GMT

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Post by 12th on Jul 29, 2013 1:28:51 GMT

news.yahoo.com/glenn-greenwald-low-level-nsa-analysts-powerful-invasive-142510196--abc-news-topstories.html

Today on "This Week," Glenn Greenwald - the reporter who broke the story about the National Security Agency's surveillance programs - claimed that those NSA programs allowed even low-level analysts to search the private emails and phone calls of Americans.

"The NSA has trillions of telephone calls and emails in their databases that they've collected over the last several years," Greenwald told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos. "And what these programs are, are very simple screens, like the ones that supermarket clerks or shipping and receiving clerks use, where all an analyst has to do is enter an email address or an IP address, and it does two things. It searches that database and lets them listen to the calls or read the emails of everything that the NSA has stored, or look at the browsing histories or Google search terms that you've entered, and it also alerts them to any further activity that people connected to that email address or that IP address do in the future."...........

It gets worse. Password confirmations are usually sent by email. Exactly what is left that will be secret from the feds?

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The feds are making us safer again. Feel it? Aug 3, 2013 11:51:09 GMT

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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 3, 2013 11:51:09 GMT

Jul 27, 2013 3:25:34 GMT JP5 said:

Problem is....we have a president and an administration unwilling to tell us the truth. And we now have a press and media so "in bed" with this administration that the questions don't even get asked anymore. Obama has not kept his promise about being the "most open" administration ever. He's done just the opposite. He's made everything a lot more secretive. No one can truly trust this administration. No one.

Fundamentally no different than the prior Bush Administration that is responsible for the Patriot Act that is the source of this whole problem. In short Obama is Bush wearing a different suit in many respects.

While we might have differing opinions about Snowden we all owe him a "Thank You" for exposing this problem with our government and creating a national debate on it.

Last Edit: Aug 3, 2013 11:53:31 GMT by ShivaTD

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The feds are making us safer again. Feel it? Aug 3, 2013 11:58:19 GMT

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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 3, 2013 11:58:19 GMT

Jul 29, 2013 1:28:51 GMT 12th said:

It gets worse. Password confirmations are usually sent by email. Exactly what is left that will be secret from the feds?

Well this is one time where all Americans need to support the ACLU's lawsuit against the NSA and hope that the US Supreme Court rules that these warrantless searches are declared unconstitutional.

www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-files-lawsuit-challenging-constitutionality-nsa-phone-spying-program

I know that many conservatives oppose the ACLU but they are the only national organization actually trying to protect our Constitutional Rights. Admittedly they are sometimes selective in the cases they accept but this is one case where anyone that believes in the 4th Amendment should support.

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