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Post by JP5 on Aug 6, 2013 22:05:18 GMT
This makes me sick. This victim ended up with a broken arm and 2 black eyes and no telling how many internal bruises and injuries. So----where is the outrage? Where's Al Sharpton? Where's Oprah Winfrey? Where is Pres. Obama saying, "that could have been me?" And why were they beating him and kicking him? Because he was a good kid who told on them for trying to sell him some drugs. Imagine this is your kid. www.examiner.com/article/school-bus-fight-three-black-teens-attack-white-bus-driver-doesn-t-intervene
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Post by cenydd on Aug 7, 2013 10:32:12 GMT
Whether it is relevant to mention the race of people involved in a report of a criminal case like this is a difficult one. On the face of it, there doesn't appear to be any actual racial motivation for the crime - it's about 'drugs' and 'grassing', not about someone shouting racial abuse while the incident is going on, and not about a specific attack based primarily on the race of those involved. There doesn't seem to be any reference to race in the crime itself, so it doesn't seem relevant to mention it particularly in a brief report.
On the other hand, there is no pressing reason not to mention it, especially if it is in a more in-depth report on the crime that is trying to describe the full details. It may be that there was some kind of racial element that isn't apparent - it is possible that the victim was attacked partly on the basis of his race, or even that the 'grassing' that led to the attack was partly racially motivated. There's no suggestion of that, though, so to do more than just mention the race of those involved would seem to be highlighting an issue for reasons other than the facts surrounding the case itself. In other words, it would be fair enough to mention in the body of an article that the perpetrators happened to be black and the victim happened to be white - that is part of the facts of the case. However, splashing it as a 'blacks kids attack white kid' sensationalist headline would be wrong - that detail doesn't seem to have any actual relevance to what happened specifically, and it would be highlighting an issue that it isn't necessary to highlight. I would seem like an attempt to prejudice the reader in a certain direction on the basis of something that isn't directly relevant to what happened.
I don't dispute that assumptions are sometimes made and issues are sometimes highlighted in that way when they shouldn't be, and that 'white on black' attacks can sometimes be highlighted as that when it isn't actually relevant to the facts of the case. I don't dispute either that sometimes the media can err on the side of caution in terms of 'political correctness', and fail to mention at all something that might later prove to be relevant. It is something that the media should be very careful about, and don't always get right - applying the same standards in all such cases, no matter who the victims and perpetrators are. If it is an obviously 'racially motivated' attack, involving racial abuse or happening for no apparent reason other than a suspected racial motive, it should certainly be something particularly noted. If it isn't, though, while the race might be relevant and can certainly be mentioned, it shouldn't be an issue that is highlighted particularly, or splashed across the headline for the story, because it is misleading, and gives a false impression of the case.
This particular linked article certainly does that in highlighting race in the headline when it seems to have no relevance to the case at all, apparently purely on the basis of a minor mention in the body of the text that it hasn't been mentioned by others. Two wrongs don't make a right - other media shouldn't be 'afraid' to mention the facts of the case in their text, but since there is no apparent or alleged racial aspect to the facts of the case itself, no media outlets should be making race a prominent part of its headline. There is no need for them to do it at all, and it is certainly somewhat misleading in promoting an assumption that the case is something other than what it apparently actually is. What they should have done is either just mentioned it in the article, if the report was predominantly about the case itself, or mention the case itself in the context of media reporting if that is what they want to talk about, under a headline along the lines of a 'Media refuses to identify race involved in crime'. Instead of doing one or the other, they have combined the two things under a misleading headline that seems deliberately constructed to give a false impression of the case, and that is not the kind of thing a media outlet should be doing, IMO.
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Post by dangermouse on Aug 7, 2013 10:34:56 GMT
Are we supposed to be outraged because it black on white violence because that's how the incident is framed, or because the victim was outnumbered, or because the sneak got what was coming to him, according to playground rules?
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Post by Daisy on Aug 7, 2013 14:50:23 GMT
Any child beaten that severely should be cause for concern and outrage that it happened. What would you do if it was your child? How would you feel? What if it had been three white youths beating a black child? Answer to that, the race baiters would be out in force. Race baiters want to keep racial prejudice alive, it keeps their faces in the news and a platform for their agenda. When race baiters take a seat and shut up racial prejudice might end.
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Post by cenydd on Aug 7, 2013 21:57:19 GMT
Any child beaten that severely should be cause for concern and outrage that it happened. What would you do if it was your child? How would you feel? Of course it should be. What if it had been three white youths beating a black child? Answer to that, the race baiters would be out in force. Race baiters want to keep racial prejudice alive, it keeps their faces in the news and a platform for their agenda. When race baiters take a seat and shut up racial prejudice might end. The problem with that is that there are people on both sides who want to keep the issue alive in some way. There are radical people screaming 'racism' at anything involving a non-white person, but there is also still genuine racism and prejudice in society that really shouldn't exist in a civilised society (and people attempting to blame non-white people for everything they can on that basis). The two are reacting against each other. That's why I say that, although it's fine to mention it as part of the facts of the case, media outlets should be very careful about highlighting the issue of race in stories (like this one) where race wasn't actually a significant factor in what happened at all. that just fuels the fires on both sides, and perpetuates both parts of the problem.
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Post by Daisy on Aug 7, 2013 22:43:46 GMT
Any child beaten that severely should be cause for concern and outrage that it happened. What would you do if it was your child? How would you feel? Of course it should be. What if it had been three white youths beating a black child? Answer to that, the race baiters would be out in force. Race baiters want to keep racial prejudice alive, it keeps their faces in the news and a platform for their agenda. When race baiters take a seat and shut up racial prejudice might end. The problem with that is that there are people on both sides who want to keep the issue alive in some way. There are radical people screaming 'racism' at anything involving a non-white person, but there is also still genuine racism and prejudice in society that really shouldn't exist in a civilised society (and people attempting to blame non-white people for everything they can on that basis). The two are reacting against each other. That's why I say that, although it's fine to mention it as part of the facts of the case, media outlets should be very careful about highlighting the issue of race in stories (like this one) where race wasn't actually a significant factor in what happened at all. that just fuels the fires on both sides, and perpetuates both parts of the problem. There are race baiters on both sides but none quite as vocal as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. This happened in Florida where racial tensions are still a factor. At any other time the three blacks might not have beat the boy but right now it would be hard to say it wasn't racial. Blacks are upset about the Martin case and some are still camped out in the governors office wanting the governor to do something about the SYG law.
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Post by dangermouse on Aug 8, 2013 10:17:31 GMT
Sharpton and Jackson, whoever they are, have nothing to do with this incident. They are introduce as race bait, so presumably they're black. It's a schoolyard squabble which got out of control, that's being pushed by people with an agenda as something it perhaps isn't.
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Post by Daisy on Aug 8, 2013 17:59:58 GMT
Sharpton and Jackson, whoever they are, have nothing to do with this incident. They are introduce as race bait, so presumably they're black. It's a schoolyard squabble which got out of control, that's being pushed by people with an agenda as something it perhaps isn't. You are right Sharpton and Jackson have nothing to do with this because it wasn't white on black. It was a terrible happening that three blacks beat up on a younger white boy. Never mind they were older and probably bigger. Three on one is never a fair fight. I don't call selling drugs anything that should go on in a schoolyard, black or white. Apparently the school authorities didn't take it seriously or the parents would have been called to deal with the issue. Unfortunately the youngest and most vulnerable suffers.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 8, 2013 18:36:08 GMT
Are we supposed to be outraged because it black on white violence because that's how the incident is framed, or because the victim was outnumbered, or because the sneak got what was coming to him, according to playground rules? I would say that we should be outraged that it is being referred to in a racial context because there is no evidence that race had anything to do with the crime. It was a "drug" related crime resulting from the "War on Drugs" where we have prohibitions that create a black market in illegal drugs. The identical crime was highly likely if the same student turned in "white" kids for illegally distributing drugs to the school adminstation. These types of stories are framed in "racial" terms because of invidious racial prejudice and we should condemn these actions as they are the actions of the racists. Yes, we should condemn the criminal act and we should also condemn the laws of prohibition that create a black market where violence is common place. Prohibition creates a violent black market and the US should have learned this lesson from the prohibition against alcohol under the 18th Amendment. Are we really so stupid as to never learn from history? Apparently so.
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Post by Daisy on Aug 8, 2013 22:41:08 GMT
Prohibition against drug use should never be lifted if it keeps drugs out of the hands of children. Evidenced by this story maybe the drug laws should be tightened.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 8, 2013 22:46:54 GMT
Prohibition against drug use should never be lifted if it keeps drugs out of the hands of children. Evidenced by this story maybe the drug laws should be tightened. This is actually juxtaposed to the truth. When drugs are distributed through the black market there are no age controls that prevent distribution to minors. It is not surprising that many "parents" I've know that smoke pot depended upon their teenage children to get it for them because it was more available in the schools than in the circles the parents traveled.
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Post by Daisy on Aug 8, 2013 23:30:46 GMT
Prohibition against drug use should never be lifted if it keeps drugs out of the hands of children. Evidenced by this story maybe the drug laws should be tightened. This is actually juxtaposed to the truth. When drugs are distributed through the black market there are no age controls that prevent distribution to minors. It is not surprising that many "parents" I've know that smoke pot depended upon their teenage children to get it for them because it was more available in the schools than in the circles the parents traveled. Parents enlisting their children to get drugs, how utterly appalling and shocking. It is no wonder we should worry about where our country is headed.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 8, 2013 23:40:07 GMT
The kids weren't enlisted because they were already smoking pot they got at school. We're putting an end to that in WA where we've legalized and regulated the recreational use of marijuana. We're still in transition though and the full implementation won't occur until January 2014. Of course the feds can still screw this up but at least we're trying to take marijuana out of our schools by regulating the sale to adults.
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Post by Daisy on Aug 8, 2013 23:47:07 GMT
The kids weren't enlisted because they were already smoking pot they got at school. We're putting an end to that in WA where we've legalized and regulated the recreational use of marijuana. We're still in transition though and the full implementation won't occur until January 2014. Of course the feds can still screw this up but at least we're trying to take marijuana out of our schools by regulating the sale to adults. So what you are saying is that the adults are the reason Wa. has marijuana in school.. hmmm. How does the legal sale of marijuana keep it out of schools? If the schools have it now, it will be more prevalent after the prohibition is lifted. So good luck with that thought on taking it out of schools. Maybe the parents weren't enlisting but contributing to the delinquency of minors.
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Post by JP5 on Aug 8, 2013 23:57:06 GMT
Whether it is relevant to mention the race of people involved in a report of a criminal case like this is a difficult one. On the face of it, there doesn't appear to be any actual racial motivation for the crime - it's about 'drugs' and 'grassing', not about someone shouting racial abuse while the incident is going on, and not about a specific attack based primarily on the race of those involved. There doesn't seem to be any reference to race in the crime itself, so it doesn't seem relevant to mention it particularly in a brief report. On the other hand, there is no pressing reason not to mention it, especially if it is in a more in-depth report on the crime that is trying to describe the full details. It may be that there was some kind of racial element that isn't apparent - it is possible that the victim was attacked partly on the basis of his race, or even that the 'grassing' that led to the attack was partly racially motivated. There's no suggestion of that, though, so to do more than just mention the race of those involved would seem to be highlighting an issue for reasons other than the facts surrounding the case itself. In other words, it would be fair enough to mention in the body of an article that the perpetrators happened to be black and the victim happened to be white - that is part of the facts of the case. However, splashing it as a 'blacks kids attack white kid' sensationalist headline would be wrong - that detail doesn't seem to have any actual relevance to what happened specifically, and it would be highlighting an issue that it isn't necessary to highlight. I would seem like an attempt to prejudice the reader in a certain direction on the basis of something that isn't directly relevant to what happened. I don't dispute that assumptions are sometimes made and issues are sometimes highlighted in that way when they shouldn't be, and that 'white on black' attacks can sometimes be highlighted as that when it isn't actually relevant to the facts of the case. I don't dispute either that sometimes the media can err on the side of caution in terms of 'political correctness', and fail to mention at all something that might later prove to be relevant. It is something that the media should be very careful about, and don't always get right - applying the same standards in all such cases, no matter who the victims and perpetrators are. If it is an obviously 'racially motivated' attack, involving racial abuse or happening for no apparent reason other than a suspected racial motive, it should certainly be something particularly noted. If it isn't, though, while the race might be relevant and can certainly be mentioned, it shouldn't be an issue that is highlighted particularly, or splashed across the headline for the story, because it is misleading, and gives a false impression of the case. This particular linked article certainly does that in highlighting race in the headline when it seems to have no relevance to the case at all, apparently purely on the basis of a minor mention in the body of the text that it hasn't been mentioned by others. Two wrongs don't make a right - other media shouldn't be 'afraid' to mention the facts of the case in their text, but since there is no apparent or alleged racial aspect to the facts of the case itself, no media outlets should be making race a prominent part of its headline. There is no need for them to do it at all, and it is certainly somewhat misleading in promoting an assumption that the case is something other than what it apparently actually is. What they should have done is either just mentioned it in the article, if the report was predominantly about the case itself, or mention the case itself in the context of media reporting if that is what they want to talk about, under a headline along the lines of a 'Media refuses to identify race involved in crime'. Instead of doing one or the other, they have combined the two things under a misleading headline that seems deliberately constructed to give a false impression of the case, and that is not the kind of thing a media outlet should be doing, IMO. But I think you're missing the underlying point of that headline. In the U.S., we just went through months of a case called the Zimmerman/Trayvon case. And while there was also absolutely no proof or evidence of anything "racial" about the event......it was touted that way in our newspapers and media. In fact, Zimmerman who is also a Minority.....an Hispanic, was referred to on news report as a "white" Hispanic. Professional race baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and others came out of the woodwork to make it about race. Even to this day.....after a jury that included a minority unanimously found him "not guilty" it still appears in the news, although to a lesser extent. And BTW, the first couple of times I saw that video of the black youths beating up the kid on the bus, there was no mention of the race of the victim. We could see the perpertrators were black, but had no idea what race the victim was. After the 3rd time I saw it, they finally began reporting is race. Had this very incident been reversed.....3 white teenagers beating up a black kid, even with no evidence the incident was about race, it would have been presented that way. And I have no doubt the professional race baiters woud be calling for it being labeled a "hate crime." You are actually correct; race is not the issue in probably most of these crimes. However, the sad thing is when our news and the race baiters try so hard to make that the case in certain crimes.....but not others. We've all just wondered where is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on this one? Crickets. And THAT is the main point here. Not to mention the three thugs on this bus should spend some good amount of time in juvenile detention....for this AND for selling drugs. This young 13 year old they beat to a pulp......sustained a broken arm and 2 black eyes....and would have probably beat and kicked him to death had the driver not finally intervened. Just imagine that's your 13 year old son just riding the bus home from school. My point is.....about the lack of interest here compared to the interest from Obama and other celebrities regarding the other issue.....which also wasn't about race? This goes on all the time here. It' a dangerous game played here by not only the mainstream an the racebaiters, but by our president. And it needs to stop. This is why we point out their double standards an hypocrisy.
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