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Post by JP5 on Aug 16, 2013 15:43:28 GMT
More evidence that the Obama administration continues to skirt the laws by hiding "official" business under private e-mail accounts. Not only do we now have proof that IRS "I take the 5th" Lois Lerner has done so......now we have proof the EPA has done so as well with this judge's finding.
It's yet another reason why no one feels they can trust this administration. www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/15/judge-epa-may-have-tried-to-skirt-information-law/
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 16, 2013 16:29:29 GMT
Seriously? Do I really have to search the internet to find all of the cases where Republicans using their private email accounts also discussed "official business" with their friends that also happen to be a part of government?
Rarely are these ever found to be nefarious in nature but instead are just normal emails between friends that both happened to be employed by the US government. I know personally that I have many friends I've worked with where we share personal email and more than once we've mentioned "work" or have simply been discussing private stuff that had absolutely nothing to do with work. It would actually be inappropriate to invite a friend over to dinner using an official email account.
So what evidence is there that any of these emails were in any way nefarious? Is there a copy of one that can be presented to support that belief or is this pure speculative BS without any evidence? As we found out from the Benghazi investigation Republican Staffers completely misrepresented the CIA-State Department email correspondence when we were actually provided with the emails themselves. Please provide the exact contents of any of these emails before jumping to unsupported conclusions.
If something nefarious was actually going on then the actual emails will reflect that. If not then this is pure BS.
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Aug 16, 2013 17:55:13 GMT
It doesnt matter what the contents were, it's against policy for fed employees to use personal email for biz.... and they know that. Therefore the only reason to use it is to skirt official govt email accts that are covered by FOIA and can be released to the public.
IOW, the violation is not what's bring discussed, its the fact they purposely bypassed the system.
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Post by JP5 on Aug 16, 2013 18:39:39 GMT
Seriously? Do I really have to search the internet to find all of the cases where Republicans using their private email accounts also discussed "official business" with their friends that also happen to be a part of government?
Rarely are these ever found to be nefarious in nature but instead are just normal emails between friends that both happened to be employed by the US government. I know personally that I have many friends I've worked with where we share personal email and more than once we've mentioned "work" or have simply been discussing private stuff that had absolutely nothing to do with work. It would actually be inappropriate to invite a friend over to dinner using an official email account.
So what evidence is there that any of these emails were in any way nefarious? Is there a copy of one that can be presented to support that belief or is this pure speculative BS without any evidence? As we found out from the Benghazi investigation Republican Staffers completely misrepresented the CIA-State Department email correspondence when we were actually provided with the emails themselves. Please provide the exact contents of any of these emails before jumping to unsupported conclusions.
If something nefarious was actually going on then the actual emails will reflect that. If not then this is pure BS.
That's not what the judge said. How is something nefarious going to be discovered when one is hiding it in private emails? Remember, they are gov't workers and agencies; they work for us. And if they are hiding what they do from us then it's OUR business. So said the judge in THIS case. Question for ya: Why is it you can NEVER discuss just this administration and what they are doing? Why do you Always insist on changing the subject to Republicans? I thought you were supposed to be a Libertarian, but you sure seem like a liberal to me. |
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Aug 16, 2013 19:03:49 GMT
It's the Dems new strategy, JP. Everytime something comes up that makes Obama's admin look bad, bring up Republicans. Seems to be true on all forums... the msg must've been passed on thru the kool aid.  |
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 16, 2013 19:27:10 GMT
That's not what the judge said. How is something nefarious going to be discovered when one is hiding it in private emails? Remember, they are gov't workers and agencies; they work for us. And if they are hiding what they do from us then it's OUR business. So said the judge in THIS case. Question for ya: Why is it you can NEVER discuss just this administration and what they are doing? Why do you Always insist on changing the subject to Republicans? I thought you were supposed to be a Libertarian, but you sure seem like a liberal to me.
Let me ask a question in return. Why do conservatives see a "witch in every tree" when anything comes up related to the Obama administration? As we know from the actual emails between the CIA and the State Department it was the CIA that didn't want information revealed and not Hillary Clinton and the State Department. Republican staffers tried to paint a completely different picture in their haste to condemn Hillary Clinton and we found out they were lying scumbags that intentionally distorted the truth.
Personally I believe many conservatives are paranoid believing every action is nefarious when obviously they're not.
It's like I've said when addressing the IRS scrutiny of conservative groups they only accounted for 1/3rd of the groups being investigated. Who were the other 2/3rds? Since they weren't "conservatives" they had to be "liberals" or "other" groups. What if we find out that 1/3rd were "conservative" and 1/3rd were "liberal" and 1/3rd were "other" then what do we have? I'd call that a "fair balance" where there isn't any real targeting of one group more than another going on.
I don't jump to conclusions. There isn't a communist behind every bush. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all terrorists are even Muslims (Muslim terrorist acts account for less than 10% of all terrorist acts in the United States). Iraq was completely incapable of attacking the United States in 2003 and represented no threat to our national security. The government of Afghanistan and no Afghani citizens were involved in the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and the US did not have "cause" to invade and overthrow a government that was not hostile to the United States and didn't have any ability to threaten the United States.
Conservatives, on the other hand, really do seem to lead paranoid lives believing in the most outrageous conspiracies. I simple say, "Prove it" and then I'll be concerned like I am about the NSA spying on us. In 2006 we had reason to be suspicious but in 2013 we now have facts on how extensive the NSA domestic spying really is. That is a fact and I've already condemned the Obama Administration for continuing the domestic spying that started under Bush. I've also openly condemned the detention of people at GITMO solely because the US government doesn't like their religious and/or political belief while there is no evidence that they ever committed a crime. Once again I condemn the Obama Administration for not releasing these individuals and sending them back home to where they were born. I've also condemned the Obama Administration for extra-judicial executions which are acts of murder under US law. I've literally called for his impeachment, removal from office, and criminal prosecution for this crime on other forums.
Don't ever believe I'm easy on President Obama but I don't confuse facts with conspiracies which is what too many Conservatives seem to do based upon irrational paranoia. |
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Post by openmind on Aug 16, 2013 19:37:26 GMT
It's the Dems new strategy, JP. Everytime something comes up that makes Obama's admin look bad, bring up Republicans. Seems to be true on all forums... the msg must've been passed on thru the kool aid. Funny, since it seems that ever since 2008, the ONLY strategy used by the Republicans has been to bash the Obama administration for EVERYTHING, even actions that were historically taken (or supported) by Republicans! Well, whatever strategy politicians use (ANY politicians) it is rarely a "new" strategy, and it is obvious that the Obama administration has not been more "secretive" or more "crooked" than ANY of the previous Republican administration. What is also clear, is that all the Republican strategies (including filibusters and crying "wolf" for every potential "scandal") have failed, and many have in fact turn against the Republicans. No administration EVER has been perfect. . .but this Republican Congress has been the worst ever! And it certainly shows in the polls ratings! So. . .you may not like the "flavor" of kool aid this administration offers. . .but the kool aid the Republicans are offering is not only distasteful, it is toxic! |
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Post by beevee on Aug 16, 2013 19:44:30 GMT
Wasn't this going on under the last 'Snowden/Manning' free GOP administration?
And don't say it wasn't, it was - except you were quite comfortable not knowing about it.
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Post by ShivaTD on Aug 16, 2013 19:59:17 GMT
Wasn't this going on under the last 'Snowden/Manning' free GOP administration? And don't say it wasn't, it was - except you were quite comfortable not knowing about it. |
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Post by beevee on Aug 16, 2013 22:08:24 GMT
It's the Dems new strategy, JP. Everytime something comes up that makes Obama's admin look bad, bring up Republicans.Seems to be true on all forums... the msg must've been passed on thru the kool aid. Thanks for the laugh of the day. Is there a single post where Republicans don't blame liberals? For the weather, for breathing, for speaking, for not speaking, for criminality (it's only Republican supported criminality that brought the USA to it's knees that they mysteriously forget - a la Wall Street) for fornicating.........the list is endless. |
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Post by 12th on Aug 16, 2013 22:17:10 GMT
Pathetic attempts to derail the thread should be avoided. Also, one should read the article before responding. Tsk tsk.
Hypocrisy. I remember on another forum, the most lovable liberal constantly saying that the Bush administration was the most secretive administration in history. I always answered, "how do you know?" and never got an answer. Now? Not a peep out of that same lovable lib. I have to give credit to huffpost though. All of the sites that came up on my google search are considered on the right except for them. They have the same article. Somebody there must be waking up.
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Aug 17, 2013 0:55:18 GMT
Pathetic attempts to derail the thread should be avoided. Also, one should read the article before responding. Tsk tsk. Hypocrisy. I remember on another forum, the most lovable liberal constantly saying that the Bush administration was the most secretive administration in history. I always answered, "how do you know?" and never got an answer. Now? Not a peep out of that same lovable lib. I have to give credit to huffpost though. All of the sites that came up on my google search are considered on the right except for them. They have the same article. Somebody there must be waking up. It's all about diversion. In every single case of malfeasance being uncovered and referred to as 'phony scandals' by these govt agencies... EVERY SINGLE AGENCY is headed up by a person hand-picked by Barack Obama... and only reporting to Barack Obama. It's incredibly naïve to believe Obama has nothing to do with any of this. But then again, we've always know the left can be incredibly naïve. |
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Aug 17, 2013 0:58:26 GMT
It's the Dems new strategy, JP. Everytime something comes up that makes Obama's admin look bad, bring up Republicans. Seems to be true on all forums... the msg must've been passed on thru the kool aid. Funny, since it seems that ever since 2008, the ONLY strategy used by the Republicans has been to bash the Obama administration for EVERYTHING, even actions that were historically taken (or supported) by Republicans! Well, whatever strategy politicians use (ANY politicians) it is rarely a "new" strategy, and it is obvious that the Obama administration has not been more "secretive" or more "crooked" than ANY of the previous Republican administration. What is also clear, is that all the Republican strategies (including filibusters and crying "wolf" for every potential "scandal") have failed, and many have in fact turn against the Republicans. No administration EVER has been perfect. . .but this Republican Congress has been the worst ever! And it certainly shows in the polls ratings! So. . .you may not like the "flavor" of kool aid this administration offers. . .but the kool aid the Republicans are offering is not only distasteful, it is toxic! Newsflash: OBAMA IS THE POTUS. Not Bush, not 'Republicans' -- BARACK OBAMA. The man with the 35% approval rating on the economy. How can such a lousy performer be worthy of your desperate attempt to defend him? |
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Post by beevee on Aug 17, 2013 3:15:40 GMT
It's quite amazing really, how supporters of the Republican party can vilify the present President and idolise the former one when both were and are following the same strategy.
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Post by cenydd on Aug 17, 2013 9:16:04 GMT
It's quite amazing really, how supporters of the Republican party can vilify the present President and idolise the former one when both were and are following the same strategy. That struck me too! It's not just Republicans, though - some Democrats have been doing the same (the other way around). It's a feature of the partisanship that has so taken over the political system and thinking in the USA that everyone is desperate to 'defeat the other side' no matter what is happening on 'their own side'. For so many it seems like one 'side' is 'good' and the other is 'evil', and that's not healthy at all - all it does is allow the distant elite to sit back and carry on with what they are doing, knowing that everyone is too busy opposing, fearing and hating each other to be able to do anything at all about what they are up to. It's been giong on for some time, and from the outside it is obvious to see that it is just getting worse and worse over time (and no, that's nothing to do with which party happens to have the presidency at the moment), and they are therefore able to get away with more and more. |
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