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Post by JP5 on Sept 23, 2013 14:56:59 GMT
Four years ago, the American pubic was purposefully lied to by our president. Even his all-time supporters, the Unions, are mad as hell after finding out the truth about Obamacare and how it's really going to effect them. And while he's given out certain "exemptions".....like to those who wrote this bill for him, but will not have to live under it....and made changes to the legislation all by himself like delaying the mandatory part for corporations....he is refusing to make those same kind of exemptions and/or delays for the American public. We were told back then by both Obama and Pelosi that he would have to be passed before finding out what was in it. Well, the all Democrat Senate and House back then, passed it for him ignoring the concerns of the American public and Republicans that represent them. And now....we are finding out that it was all a big lie and the public does NOT like it.
"On Wednesday, CMS actuaries released their latest projections, finding that by 2022, health spending will rise to 19.9 percent of gross domestic product — or almost exactly one out of five dollars, which is what Obama warned it would be without action. Over the course of the next decade, according to projections, the law will boost health spending by $621 billion over the next decade compared to what it otherwise would have been. That’s right – the status quo Obama derided as “unsustainable” when selling his health care program would have been less costly than what he’s currently imposing on the nation.
On Tuesday, CBO released projections finding that the nation’s debt burden would be as large as the annual output of the entire economy by 2038, or ten years sooner under alternate projects that assume Congress adjusts fiscal policies as it has in the past. That means that by the time a baby girl born today reaches high school, the nation’s debt could be surpassing current day France and Belgium, and heading toward the levels of Puerto Rico and Sudan. The only choices will then be massive tax hikes, severe spending cuts, or some combination thereof. What about Obamacare preventing this, Mr. President?"
washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editorial-america-suffering-ills-obamacare-was-promised-to-fix/article/2536181
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Post by JP5 on Sept 24, 2013 1:54:44 GMT
The hits just keep on coming........
And it's just one more reason this thing needs to be defunded...and then repealed. It was a terrible idea.
WASHINGTON — A so-called "family glitch" in the 2010 health care law threatens to cost some families thousands of dollars in health insurance costs and leave up to 500,000 children without coverage, insurance and health care analysts say.
That's unless Congress fixes the problem, which seems unlikely given the House's latest move Friday to strip funding from the law, which is also called the Affordable Care Act.
Congress defined "affordable" as 9.5% or less of an employee's household income, mostly to make sure people did not leave their workplace plans for subsidized coverage through the exchanges. But the "error" was that it only applies to the employee — and not his or her family. So, if an employer offers a woman affordable insurance, but doesn't provide it for her family, they cannot get subsidized help through the state health exchanges.
That can make a huge difference; the Kaiser Family Foundation said an average plan for an individual is about $5,600, but it goes up to $15,700 for families. Most employers help out with those costs, but not all."
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/23/aca-family-glitch-issues/2804017/
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Post by JP5 on Sept 27, 2013 23:26:41 GMT
It's difficult to understand why it is that when Harry Reid was the became the Minority Leader back in 20001, he vowed in a speech to "use every tool available to him to block the other side when necessary...." (paraphrasing from memory)
....BUT today, because Republicans are doing the very same thing on an issue of GREAT importance to them and the nation.....per these same Democrat leaders the Republicans are.......blackmailing, have bombs strapped to their backs, and are "teabaggers?"
Hmmm....can we say "double standard?"
Also, difficult to believe the Pres. of the U.S. is now for the first time since 1979 negotiating with Iran, a KNOWN supporter of terrorism...but refusing to EVER compromise on issues with Republicans....as he continues to demonize them publically at every turn.
Sad state of affairs here in the U.S. at present!!
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Post by JP5 on Sept 28, 2013 9:12:54 GMT
"President Obama lied to us.
It wasn’t a white lie. It wasn’t a fib. It wasn’t a half truth. It was a bold-faced lie.
“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise,” President Obama told the American Medical Association in 2009. “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”
That statement turned out to be a lie. Period.
On Thursday I asked my Facebook community if they had faced hardships as a result of ObamaCare.
The response was overwhelming. I received nearly 1,000 replies – from small business owners, nurses, doctors, electricians, stay-at-home moms, and military personnel. Every single person said they had been adversely affected by President Obama’s signature legislation.
President Obama also promised us that we would be able to keep our doctor. Another lie.
So let’s break down the president’s lies.
Thursday he told an audience in Largo, Maryland that the Affordable Care Act had not hurt jobs.
“There's no widespread evidence that the Affordable Care Act is hurting jobs,” he said.
Investor’s Business Daily reports that as a direct result of ObamaCare, more than 300 companies have either eliminated jobs or reduced full time jobs to part time jobs. Hospitals across the country are firing staff and reducing work hours.
Janet Blanck owns Country Blossom Florist, a small shop in Gilbert, Ariz. She tells me that as a result of ObamaCare she’s had to lay off three employees.
At one time, she employed eight people. Those who were not let go now work part-time because of rising insurance costs.
“Obama is killing us,” she told me. “It breaks my heart to have to do this. I have to protect what I have built and this is the only way that I know of to get around this law and still stay in business.”
President Obama also promised us that we would be able to keep our doctor. Another lie.
Several hundred of you, like Joel Keefauver, wrote to tell me that your doctors were either shuttering their practices or shedding patients."
www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/27/president-obama-lied-to-us-told-america-some-real-whoppers-about-obamacare/?intcmp=latestnews
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Post by ShivaTD on Sept 28, 2013 11:42:15 GMT
Once again let me state that I'm not a fan of "Obamacare" but I am a fan of the truth.
It is true that President Obama made some statements that aren't totally true in 2009. For example he states that everyone that had insurance would be able to keep their same doctor. Not everyone will be able to keep their own doctor but most will.
While I haven't personally read the report that health care costs will rise to over 19% I will accept that as true. We must also consider the fact that millions of American will be provided health care as well including those with very expensive pre-conditions that were not being treated previously. What percentage of the GDP would it have been if these people were covered by another means is the real question? The argument being that it would have cost more without "Obamacare" than with it.
We can also note that Republicans claim that the Democrats didn't work for a bi-partisan solution in creating "Obamacare" and that is false. The majority of Democrats advocated a single-payer system but instead chose a bi-partisan solution by basically adopting the Heritage Foundation's previous proposal for national health care. In case people don't know the Heritage Foundation is a very "conservative" think tank. I've mentioned before that my greatest fear is that Obamacare will fail because the Democrats will push for, and eventually establish, a single-payer system to replace it and that's a lot worse than Obamacare.
In case people don't know it the national debt already exceeds the US GDP. I would suggest the CBO check the current national debt and compare it to the GDP because we're already underwater financially as a nation. The only way to correct this is with a combination of more tax revenues that can only be collected from those that can afford to pay more (i.e. the wealthy that are under-taxed today) and by cutting general expenditures that don't harm Americans where the elephant in the living room is national defense.
As I've noted I don't like "Obamacare" but I also believe that everyone should receive heath care that they need. There were better ways to accomplish this but the first criteria was to address those that couldn't get the necessary health care they required. This could have been addressed by simply expanding Medicaid and that would have cost far more than the $61 billion per year that Obamacare is going to cost. Republicans often forget this fact when citing the numbers. Republicans say it will cost over $600 billion more than if we did nothing and allowed people to die which is the system we did have but letting people die was never an option.
Does Obamacare have problems? Absolutely and those problems can be addressed. Is there a better way to do all of this? Absolutely but doing it "better" is not what Republicans like Ted Cruz offer when all they say is "Defund Obamacare" which takes us back to simply letting millions of people to go without the health care services they need and that allows poor people to die.
With all of this said I'll challenge the "Republicans" on this forum to make a proposal that would ensure that the millions of "uninsured" would receive the medical services they need and how they would pay for it, how much it would cost, and how would it resolve the problems that Obamacare addressed. What is the Republican Proposal to replace Obamacare that provides the same or better results?
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Post by ShivaTD on Sept 28, 2013 12:01:33 GMT
Living in Washington I found this comment interesting. The minimum wage in Arizona is $7.70/hr while the minimum wage in WA is $9.19/hr and we have no shortage of florists here. The difference in wages is $3099.20/yr which is more than enough for Janet Blanck to pay for health insurance under "Obamacare" and she's probably entitled to a government subsidy as well.
I also question whether she has over 50 employees. I've never heard of any florist with more than 50 employees and if she has less than that she isn't required to furnish any insurance for any of her employees. If she is an exceptional florist with over 50 employees then she's got one hell of a business going and she can afford to pay for their health insurance because she's making a small fortune every year.
I did some other research as well. Republicans are claiming that many enterprises, both public and private, are changing their "part time employee" criteria so that they don't work 30 or more hours per week. That is actually a true statement but when I did a little investigating I also found that the number of employee affected by this change, in the vast majority of cases, was zero. In short in most cases if they changed their criteria for "part time employees" but no employees were affected by the change. Even for those enterprises where employees were going to be affected it didn't indicate that they would lose any hours. It just meant that the enterprise would treat them as a full time employee instead of as a part time employee. None of those that changed their definition of "part time employment" indicated that they would cut any employee's hours.
I'm seeing a lot of misinformation coming out of Republicans. The florist that probably doesn't have enough employees to be affected by "Obamacare" claiming she has to let three employees go to the highly misleading claims related to "part time employees" where there's no evidence that anyone is being adversely affected.
I'm not saying that Democrats don't or haven't misrepresented some facts about Obamacare but both sides are guilty of this. We can call it the BIG LIE if we want but in that case both Republicans and Democrats should be called LIARS because neither side is being totally honest.
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Post by ShivaTD on Sept 28, 2013 19:22:01 GMT
I remember this Kaiser Family Foundation estimate and I've even used it but it was based upon preliminary information that has changed since the actual premiums have been announced by the insurance exchanges.
This is for an "average" tier insurance plan and is not reflective of the least expensive plans available.
Originally, in 2009, the CBO projected costs of between $5,000 and $7,000 and that was considerably higher than the average $4,000 private insurance plans available at the time. They Kaiser Foundation estimate supported the early CBO projections but was at the low end of those projections. With the most recent information based upon the actual premiums from the insurance exchanges the cost drops below the $4,000 average cost of private insurance plans from 2009 and that is significant. It must be noted that the premiums do vary by state though so in some states it will be higher and other lower.
This recent information has three significant results.
Individuals that are required to purchase insurance on the exchanges will be paying substantially less than they could have with private insurance before Obamacare. They can opt for even lower cost plans that at the bottom end average about $100/mo.
The cost of the federal subsidies will be substantially less than projected because of the 16% reduction in the projected costs of the insurance.
The projected percentage of GDP for health care is going to be less than previously projected. At 16% less than projected it will reduce medical expenditures significantly in the future. It was previously argued that the cost of health care would rise to about 19% of GDP but with this significant reduction that might be as little as 17% to 18%.
Of course a lot of this has to do with the rise in GDP that is being suppressed because the vast majority of the income from the increase in the GDP is going to the top 1% of income earners while working Americans are losing purchasing power. Consumption is the real driver behind GDP growth as investments in secondary financial markets do little for the economy. Our current increases in the GDP are being primarily driven by secondary financial investments while consumption for the average American is going down. Not a good sign for economic growth. The real question is whether the GDP growth will keep up with the costs of healthcare and not the other way around.
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Post by JP5 on Sept 29, 2013 4:01:46 GMT
Living in Washington I found this comment interesting. The minimum wage in Arizona is $7.70/hr while the minimum wage in WA is $9.19/hr and we have no shortage of florists here. The difference in wages is $3099.20/yr which is more than enough for Janet Blanck to pay for health insurance under "Obamacare" and she's probably entitled to a government subsidy as well.
I also question whether she has over 50 employees. I've never heard of any florist with more than 50 employees and if she has less than that she isn't required to furnish any insurance for any of her employees. If she is an exceptional florist with over 50 employees then she's got one hell of a business going and she can afford to pay for their health insurance because she's making a small fortune every year.
I did some other research as well. Republicans are claiming that many enterprises, both public and private, are changing their "part time employee" criteria so that they don't work 30 or more hours per week. That is actually a true statement but when I did a little investigating I also found that the number of employee affected by this change, in the vast majority of cases, was zero. In short in most cases if they changed their criteria for "part time employees" but no employees were affected by the change. Even for those enterprises where employees were going to be affected it didn't indicate that they would lose any hours. It just meant that the enterprise would treat them as a full time employee instead of as a part time employee. None of those that changed their definition of "part time employment" indicated that they would cut any employee's hours.
I'm seeing a lot of misinformation coming out of Republicans. The florist that probably doesn't have enough employees to be affected by "Obamacare" claiming she has to let three employees go to the highly misleading claims related to "part time employees" where there's no evidence that anyone is being adversely affected.
I'm not saying that Democrats don't or haven't misrepresented some facts about Obamacare but both sides are guilty of this. We can call it the BIG LIE if we want but in that case both Republicans and Democrats should be called LIARS because neither side is being totally honest.
And even though more and more citizens are seeing the need for this thing to be repealed....Obama is threatening to shut down the government IF anyone else besides himself dares touch it.
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Post by ShivaTD on Sept 29, 2013 11:22:59 GMT
The fact remains that "Obamacare" was based upon prior Republican proposals and the Heritage Foundations proposal for health care. The fact that no Republicans supported their own proposals merely reflects the fact that since day one of the Obama Administration the Republicans have been anti-anything Obama even if it was their own proposals that Obama adopted.
Knowing what they know now I believe Democrats would have passed a single-payer system because their efforts to reach out to Republicans by offering the "Republican" solution for healthcare hit a wall of partisanship as opposed to being embraced by Republicans. They certainly didn't get any help from Republicans and the Democrats did want a single-payer system and while they resorted to trickery in getting it passed the could have just as easily used the same political trickery to get a single-payer system imposed.
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Post by maniacalhamster on Sept 29, 2013 16:50:18 GMT
It is a big lie and the republican army are the ones either lieing or being brain washed..
universal health care should be your right...
this watered down obamacare version is useless...
In Canada the insurance companies cannot tell you how much health care you get...
why would you want to be the last civilized country to hang on to corporate greed.
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Post by JP5 on Sept 29, 2013 18:42:24 GMT
It is a big lie and the republican army are the ones either lieing or being brain washed.. universal health care should be your right... this watered down obamacare version is useless... In Canada the insurance companies cannot tell you how much health care you get... why would you want to be the last civilized country to hang on to corporate greed. |
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Post by JP5 on Sept 29, 2013 18:59:37 GMT
The fact remains that "Obamacare" was based upon prior Republican proposals and the Heritage Foundations proposal for health care. The fact that no Republicans supported their own proposals merely reflects the fact that since day one of the Obama Administration the Republicans have been anti-anything Obama even if it was their own proposals that Obama adopted.
Knowing what they know now I believe Democrats would have passed a single-payer system because their efforts to reach out to Republicans by offering the "Republican" solution for healthcare hit a wall of partisanship as opposed to being embraced by Republicans. They certainly didn't get any help from Republicans and the Democrats did want a single-payer system and while they resorted to trickery in getting it passed the could have just as easily used the same political trickery to get a single-payer system imposed.
I don't know where you're getting that information, but I'd like to see your PROOF that Obamacare is based upon prior Republican proposals and the Heritage Foundations proposed for health care. It was not only NOT a Republican proposal........Republicans were shut out of any proposals and the bill was written in Nancy Pelosi's office and it was never meant to be what it was sold to be. It was ALWAYS intended that it would eventually lead to a single-payer system, which is exactly what the Democrats KNEW the public did not want. Hillarycare had failed less than 20 years earlier with a resounding "No" from the Ameircan public.......but Democrats were hell-bent on controlling our healthcare in this country. Obama and the Dems knew that once they had a charming president and a Majority in both the Senate and the House....that they could do anything they want. Do you deny the American public was told that it would have to be passed BEFORE finding out what was in it? You can't....because I can provide the quote. Well, now they are finding out.....since the bad news was withheld until after the last election....and the public does NOT like it. And that includes DEMOCRATS. Liberals like Jimmy Hoffa of the Teamsters has written Obama a letter saying it needs to be repealed or drastically changed.....and that it's going to ruin the 40-day work week. That's a LIBERAL. Company after company and small business after small business have now received the mandatory requirements from them.....and NO ONE likes it. And while Obama all by his little lonesome granted corporations a year's extension, he refuses to do so for the mandate for individuals. As former Democrat Senator Max Baucus said....and he helped write it.......Obamacare is a trainwreck!! He should know.... |
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Post by JP5 on Sept 29, 2013 19:07:19 GMT
Three days ago....and from a DEMOCRAT Senator: "U.S. Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia broke ranks with fellow Democrats and said he’d support a stopgap spending plan that delays the individual mandate in President Barack Obama’s health-care law. “There’s no way I could not vote for it,” Manchin said at a Bloomberg Government breakfast today. “It’s very reasonable and sensible.”… Manchin, 66, said he’d be willing to delay the individual mandate as part of the budget negotiations because the Obama administration in July gave businesses an extra year to provide their workers with health insurance. “Don’t put the mandate on the American public right now,” Manchin said. “Give them at least a year. If you know you couldn’t bring the corporate sector, you gave them a year, don’t you think it’d be fair?” So, will Obama be "fair" and allow the individual citizens the same extension he allowed the corporations?  He would shut down the gov't instead??? |
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Post by JP5 on Sept 29, 2013 19:12:24 GMT
Despite the attempted spin from Obama and his sycophants.....this issue is NOT about only Republicans! Below is the letter from Hoffa written to Reid, Pelosi regarding Obamacare. He's basically calling them liars....and he is correct!
Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:
When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.
Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.
Now this vision has come back to haunt us.
Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week’s huge accommodation for the employer community—extending the statutorily mandated “December 31, 2013” deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.
Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:
First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.
Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.
And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won’t receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they’ll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies.
On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.
We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.
We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions.
We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.
James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
Joseph Hansen
International President
UFCW
D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE
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Post by JP5 on Sept 30, 2013 1:19:51 GMT
"This year, report after report has rolled in about employers restricting work hours to fewer than 30 per week — the point where the mandate kicks in. Data also point to a record low workweek in low-wage industries.
In the interest of an informed debate, we've compiled a list of job actions with strong proof that ObamaCare's employer mandate is behind cuts to work hours or staffing levels. As of Sept. 25, our ObamaCare scorecard included 313 employers. Here's our latest analysis, focusing on cuts to adjunct hours at nearly 200 college campuses."
Read More At Investor's Business Daily: news.investors.com/politics-obamacare/092513-669013-obamacare-employer-mandate-a-list-of-cuts-to-work-hours-jobs.htm#ixzz2gKnrqFv8
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He would shut down the gov't instead???