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Post by JP5 on Oct 1, 2013 14:46:54 GMT
Well, it's partially shut down now. All the non-essentials are on a little vaca. That should be at least 1/2 of the federal gov't, IMHO.......because there's so much fat in gov't to start with. Few will notice.
And all the doomsayers about the markets? Just looked at the markets.....the DOW, S&P, and NASDAQ: ALL UP!!! 
Of note......most all the websites for signing up for Obamacare, are NOT working! Obama calls it a "few glitches."
What I can't understand is this. Why is it Obama can all on his own (even though he's not a legislator), change parts of the bill......like his giving corporations a year-long extension on their mandate just before the last Nov election.....BUT he refuses to even talk to Republicans....refuses to even come to the table.....on their proposal to give the American citizens that SAME benefit he gave to corporations???
It seems quite unreasonable from a man who claims to be the leader for ALL in this country.
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Post by niff on Oct 1, 2013 17:36:00 GMT
The hilarious part will be after a few weeks the economy will start to improve. The stock market doesn't seem to be collapsing LOL
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Oct 2, 2013 2:08:37 GMT
What if the U S govt closed... and nobody noticed?  |
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Post by JP5 on Oct 2, 2013 3:52:30 GMT
A great article by Rich Lowrey. Says it all. There's a reason why we don't pass big social programs without bi-partisan support and along party lines. He describes quite well how this legislation was shoved through without support, explaining why it's not popular and will get even worse.
He also brings up this great point: the Dems are always saying this is settled law and we should not fight it any longer. Lowrey reminds us all that the Dems did just that with the "don't ask; don't tell" law OR try to repeal the Bush tax cuts for years.......not letting those issues go. So, they should not fault Republicans at all on this one.....unless they are hypocrites!!
"Even as the exchanges for individuals to purchase insurance get up and running, ObamaCare is still in play. It has a legitimacy problem. It had one before it passed, when it was kept afloat through gross special deals, and it has one still, when it is manifestly failing to live up to the president’s salesmanship on its behalf. There’s a reason that usually we don’t pass major social changes lacking popular support on party-line votes — it is a formula for conflict rather than consensus.
Having done the deed, Democrats now expect Republicans to salute smartly, accept “the law of the land” and suggest minor improvements that Democrats will, in their wisdom, decide whether or not to adopt.
In other words, they recommend the acquiescence of surrender.
If this were a consistent principle rather than opportunistic advice, Democrats would have been content to leave “don’t ask, don’t tell” in place and never would have agitated to repeal the Bush tax cuts, out of deference to duly constituted policy and law.
Nearly four years after ObamaCare passed, the coalition against it has expanded, not shrunk. The unions are now excoriating the law in terms that once would have been reserved for Republican floor speeches. In his filibuster, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz repeatedly quoted a letter from Teamsters leader Jim Hoffa attacking ObamaCare as a clear and present threat to the middle class. When House Republicans voted to delay the individual mandate a few weeks ago, 35 Democrats joined them; Joe Manchin, the Democratic senator from West Virginia, announced his support for a delay just last week.
Pew Research has found disapproval of the health-care law at an all-time high in its polling. CNN’s latest survey has disapproval at 57 percent and approval at 38. Health care, a core Democratic strength for decades, is becoming a liability. A New York Times poll found that more people disapprove of President Barack Obama on health care than approve by a 54-to-40 margin. Trust for Republicans and Democrats on health care is about even, according to the Pew poll.
The problems with the health law are invariably described by the president and his allies as “glitches,” or harmless technical snafus that no one should worry about. But the law suffers from basic design flaws beyond the question of whether the Obama administration can get its software to work. It depends on young, healthy people buying insurance even as it reduces their incentive to do so; it encourages employers to dump workers off their current insurance; it suppresses full-time work, through the employer mandate; in 10 years, the law still leaves 30 million people uninsured.
None of this makes for a stable, widely accepted new dispensation in American health care. On the right, ironically enough, it is Cruz and his band of fellow defunders who are the defeatists on the law’s medium-term prospects. They argue that unless it is stopped before Jan. 1, when subsidies begin to flow through the exchanges, it will be an unalterable part of the American landscape.
But at first only about 2 percent of people will receive subsidies, which are funneled through insurers rather than given to individuals directly. The subsidies themselves shouldn’t be enough to save ObamaCare if it is failing."
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Post by maniacalhamster on Oct 2, 2013 5:48:02 GMT
What if the U S govt closed... and nobody noticed? no one is this dumb to think that by shutting it down, nothing will come of it. Canada will lose about 700 million a day if thing goes over three days... all this because people are so mired in propaganda they think giving health care to the needy is a bad thing... well at least some people will finally see how moronic tea baggers are ..unfortunately some people just need to have their head bashed against the wall to wake up... |
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Post by niff on Oct 2, 2013 17:41:42 GMT
Yeah your 'gutter-talk' really is impressive. And you go on to suggest that "some people" need to have their heads bashed against the sidewalk. That's real class. BTW pal, the "needy" never have to pay a dime for health care. Never have. They also don't pay a dime in income tax. The 'Makers' have always taken care of the 'Takers'. That will never change.
Oh yeah. For someone as smart as you maybe you could be bothered sorting out your grammar in the future. I doubt you'd even know what I mean We'll see.
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 2, 2013 17:52:50 GMT
Why doesn't Rep. John Boehner simply call for a House vote to end it?
Just two votes shy of what would end the shutdown if Boehner calls the House to vote on a continuing resolution to fund the federal government that is devoid of any "Obamacare" provisions. With at least 13 Republicans already willing to vote for such a resolution its very likely that two more would also support it and the impasse is over.
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Oct 2, 2013 18:54:26 GMT
Why aren't the Democrats willing to negotiate?
Nothing gets passed without compromise... at least thats the way it was before Mr. Mywayorthehiway took office.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 2, 2013 20:17:53 GMT
Why aren't the Democrats willing to negotiate? Nothing gets passed without compromise... at least thats the way it was before Mr. Mywayorthehiway took office.
"you've got to pay the bills that you keep racking up." True. But we also need to reverse the trend with accompanying spending cuts. Otherwise, the debt ceiling due to increases in interest just keeps going up and up and up....with no end in sight. A fifth-grader knows that! Let's actually work on FIXING the over-spending problem.
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Oct 2, 2013 20:53:25 GMT
To hear Dems, they don't have a spending problem. They'd have plenty of money if those evil rich just paid their fair share.
Yada, yada, yada... their story never changes.
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Post by JP5 on Oct 2, 2013 23:28:59 GMT
To hear Dems, they don't have a spending problem. They'd have plenty of money if those evil rich just paid their fair share. Yada, yada, yada... their story never changes. Hey....didn't you know per Dems that money grows on trees somewhere? Mainly from all the hard work of the American people. You're right......their story never changes. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 3, 2013 1:53:52 GMT
Why aren't the Democrats willing to negotiate? Nothing gets passed without compromise... at least thats the way it was before Mr. Mywayorthehiway took office. |
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Oct 3, 2013 4:48:34 GMT
Why aren't the Democrats willing to negotiate? Nothing gets passed without compromise... at least thats the way it was before Mr. Mywayorthehiway took office. Maybe he should make that point when he negotiates with Repub... oh wait. Nevermind, he said no negotiations. |
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Post by maniacalhamster on Oct 3, 2013 5:13:42 GMT
To hear Dems, they don't have a spending problem. They'd have plenty of money if those evil rich just paid their fair share. Yada, yada, yada... their story never changes. where in anything were the rich referred to as evil.... this is taking something so out of context it bleeds dementia |
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Post by ShivaTD on Oct 3, 2013 8:19:47 GMT
As House Democrats have noted they did compromise by supporting $70 billion in Republican spending cuts in the Continuing Resolution. That was a compromise. It was also noted, although I haven't verified it, that President Obama has also signed nine changes to the Affordable Care Act that were proposed by Republicans since the law went into effect. Maybe he should make that point when he negotiates with Repub... oh wait. Nevermind, he said no negotiations.
The Speaker of the House of Representatives is standing in opposition to the will of the House of Representatives where the majority will approve a Continuing Resolution to fund the federal government that does not contain linkage to Obamacare but Boehner refuses to bring that legislation up for a vote.
Speaker Boehner is standing in opposition to the will of the vast majority of the American People that oppose having the government shut down over Obamacare.
Speaker Boehner is standing in opposition to the will of the House of Representatives that oppose having the government shut down over Obamacare.
The problem as of this moment is John Boehner and John Boehner alone because he has the power to end the government shutdown by simply requiring a vote on a CR to fund government without linkage to Obamacare.
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