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Post by cenydd on Oct 22, 2013 16:15:33 GMT
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Post by fred on Oct 24, 2013 2:49:17 GMT
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Post by cenydd on Oct 24, 2013 10:37:38 GMT
Which highlights another problem. It may be that the Greece case is a one-off, but then again it still may not be. How can that be investigated, though - we certainly shouldn't be examining all of the Roma children to see if they 'look right'!
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Post by iolo on Oct 24, 2013 11:25:30 GMT
It was the same in 'thirties Europe - everywhere 'Jews' were discovered to be doing bad things. Happens when you have slumps, greedy capitalists and the like: they want the mugs to have someone to hate while they take their money away.
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Post by fred on Oct 25, 2013 20:17:59 GMT
It was the same in 'thirties Europe - everywhere 'Jews' were discovered to be doing bad things. Happens when you have slumps, greedy capitalists and the like: they want the mugs to have someone to hate while they take their money away. Shhhh. you'll upset the racists if you compare them to Hitler. However, much as I disagree with your anti capitalist agenda (Are capitalists like 'Jews'in your world and should be blamed for everything?), you do have a point. When things go down the drain, in this case because of general greed, way too much borrowing to buy whatever and a general bum bonking from the EU, there is a need to blame someone for all your troubles. Some people use Jews as not many people really like them, Oliver was a good film with a really evil stereotypical Jew and, most importantly, no one knows very much about them so it's really easy to tell everyone how evil they are. In fact, it's the grey suited capitalists, the ones who eat babies, that are guilty of everything. Hang on a mo, I blamed a whole group for the actions of a few of that group - bugger me; I'm a bigot.
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Post by dangermouse on Oct 25, 2013 22:45:46 GMT
It seem the natural mother who left the child with the Roma couple as they said, has been found. She's Roma too! The total is now three children removed from their parents/carers for not looking Roma enough to outsiders.
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Post by iolo on Oct 26, 2013 12:14:53 GMT
It seem the natural mother who left the child with the Roma couple as they said, has been found. She's Roma too! The total is now three children removed from their parents/carers for not looking Roma enough to outsiders. There you are then - see how the evil swine are destroying European law now!
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Post by iolo on Oct 26, 2013 12:17:19 GMT
It was the same in 'thirties Europe - everywhere 'Jews' were discovered to be doing bad things. Happens when you have slumps, greedy capitalists and the like: they want the mugs to have someone to hate while they take their money away. Shhhh. you'll upset the racists if you compare them to Hitler. However, much as I disagree with your anti capitalist agenda (Are capitalists like 'Jews'in your world and should be blamed for everything?), you do have a point. When things go down the drain, in this case because of general greed, way too much borrowing to buy whatever and a general bum bonking from the EU, there is a need to blame someone for all your troubles. Some people use Jews as not many people really like them, Oliver was a good film with a really evil stereotypical Jew and, most importantly, no one knows very much about them so it's really easy to tell everyone how evil they are. In fact, it's the grey suited capitalists, the ones who eat babies, that are guilty of everything. Hang on a mo, I blamed a whole group for the actions of a few of that group - bugger me; I'm a bigot. The great thing about capitalism is that it is a wholly criminal system for which nobody is ever responsible but its victims, so R_E_L_A_X!
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Post by fred on Oct 26, 2013 14:04:20 GMT
I really have to disagree. The victims were the people who tried capitalism and greed, wanting the best of everything but far too stupid to work out credit is a really bad idea if you're up to the balls in debt.
They did it to themselves.
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Post by iolo on Oct 26, 2013 15:30:49 GMT
I really have to disagree. The victims were the people who tried capitalism and greed, wanting the best of everything but far too stupid to work out credit is a really bad idea if you're up to the balls in debt. They did it to themselves. Never heard of that. The victims of capitalism are the vast majority who do all the work and get robbed by the bosses, wicked idle swine with their shameless yearning for democracy!
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Post by fred on Oct 26, 2013 22:02:11 GMT
I really have to disagree. The victims were the people who tried capitalism and greed, wanting the best of everything but far too stupid to work out credit is a really bad idea if you're up to the balls in debt. They did it to themselves. Never heard of that. The victims of capitalism are the vast majority who do all the work and get robbed by the bosses, wicked idle swine with their shameless yearning for democracy! Utter crap. A - Some people are better than others so there is no such thing as equality (outside the minds of a few fools) B - Because some people are better, we have great musicians, great writers and, shock horror, people who are great in business. Those people lead industry or simply start a small business, commonly risking everything in their efforts to get that business running. Then some left leaning, greedy demi communist comes along and wants a slice far bigger than his input. He sweats at work but his actual contribution is pretty much that of a single ant in a large colony. He may well work hard but he isn't the queen and can easily be replaced by any one of a million other ants. As a small businessman, I offer you a proposal that'll allow you to share in the company's profits. You work at least 12 hours a day for a minimum of a year, maybe two, with just enough money to live but not a penny more. You must also take out a large bank loan, risking your home and pretty much everything so you can invest in new machinery and so on, that'll increase business efficiency. When that's done and you come into profit; you may then take a large slice of those profits but, as a good communist, I suppose you'll give it all away to your mates; the workers who did nothing to deserve it. Thank you.
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Post by iolo on Oct 27, 2013 13:05:58 GMT
Never heard of that. The victims of capitalism are the vast majority who do all the work and get robbed by the bosses, wicked idle swine with their shameless yearning for democracy! Utter crap. A - Some people are better than others so there is no such thing as equality (outside the minds of a few fools) B - Because some people are better, we have great musicians, great writers and, shock horror, people who are great in business. Those people lead industry or simply start a small business, commonly risking everything in their efforts to get that business running. Then some left leaning, greedy demi communist comes along and wants a slice far bigger than his input. He sweats at work but his actual contribution is pretty much that of a single ant in a large colony. He may well work hard but he isn't the queen and can easily be replaced by any one of a million other ants. As a small businessman, I offer you a proposal that'll allow you to share in the company's profits. You work at least 12 hours a day for a minimum of a year, maybe two, with just enough money to live but not a penny more. You must also take out a large bank loan, risking your home and pretty much everything so you can invest in new machinery and so on, that'll increase business efficiency. When that's done and you come into profit; you may then take a large slice of those profits but, as a good communist, I suppose you'll give it all away to your mates; the workers who did nothing to deserve it. Thank you. What are people for, oh capitalist ranter? Until you can answer that they are neither equal nor unequal - they just are. Grow up and stop this adolescent posturing!
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Post by fred on Oct 28, 2013 4:54:04 GMT
When that's done and you come into profit; you may then take a large slice of those profits but, as a good communist, I suppose you'll give it all away to your mates; the workers who did nothing to deserve it. What are people for, oh capitalist ranter? Until you can answer that they are neither equal nor unequal - they just are. Grow up and stop this adolescent posturing! People think for themselves but many are able to think at a higher level than others. "cogito ergo sum" covers your "are" but that implies no equality unless you accept Proudhon's rather silly ideas. In my humble opinion, people do not deserve to be treated as equals in any respect, especially in wages, unless they put equal into what they expect to take equal from. Why would anyone want to risk so much and put so much effort into something unless he was going to get more out by doing so? I find your position to be weak and poorly thought out. Further, in my experience, a poster has no need to resort to insults unless his argument is lost.
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Post by iolo on Oct 28, 2013 13:07:50 GMT
What are people for, oh capitalist ranter? Until you can answer that they are neither equal nor unequal - they just are. Grow up and stop this adolescent posturing! People think for themselves but many are able to think at a higher level than others. "cogito ergo sum" covers your "are" but that implies no equality unless you accept Proudhon's rather silly ideas. In my humble opinion, people do not deserve to be treated as equals in any respect, especially in wages, unless they put equal into what they expect to take equal from. Why would anyone want to risk so much and put so much effort into something unless he was going to get more out by doing so? I find your position to be weak and poorly thought out. Further, in my experience, a poster has no need to resort to insults unless his argument is lost. You haven't answered. You mean capitalists are superior and everyone else can die, obviously, but most of us think capitalists are moral *fairy dust*ehawks without any reason whatever for existing, as you know.
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Post by fred on Oct 28, 2013 22:42:38 GMT
People think for themselves but many are able to think at a higher level than others. "cogito ergo sum" covers your "are" but that implies no equality unless you accept Proudhon's rather silly ideas. In my humble opinion, people do not deserve to be treated as equals in any respect, especially in wages, unless they put equal into what they expect to take equal from. Why would anyone want to risk so much and put so much effort into something unless he was going to get more out by doing so? I find your position to be weak and poorly thought out. Further, in my experience, a poster has no need to resort to insults unless his argument is lost. You haven't answered. You mean capitalists are superior and everyone else can die, obviously, but most of us think capitalists are moral *fairy dust*ehawks without any reason whatever for existing, as you know. Not at all. Capitalists are, in general, superior to their workforce but the workforce needs to survive as no society can operate without trash collectors and the man who cleans the dung out of a blocked toilet'. The idea of equality is alien to man as is proven by a very long history. We've always had leaders and followers, kings, lords, bosses and the prols. Ask this: if all were paid the same, what would be the point in education and hard work as there would be no reward for sacrifice? It is man's nature to be the best he can be so some rise to greatness whilst others sweep the streets. It's real life - live with it.
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