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Post by pjohns1873 on Feb 28, 2014 20:21:52 GMT
As most people here are probably aware, Crimea--where Russia rents a warm-water port on the Black Sea; and which is therefore critical to Russia's navy--is in southern Ukraine. Well, the Associated Press is now reporting that Russian troops have invaded southern Ukraine. Russia has now taken over several airports in that region. Both Secretary of State John Kerry and Press Secretary Jay Carney have pontificated that the administration will be closely monitoring the situation, to see if any "line" has been "crossed." But we all know of President Obama's history as regarding lines; so I am guessing that Vladimir Putin is not trembling in his boots right now. The UN Security Council is currently meeting behind closed doors, in order to try to calculate an appropriate response: UPDATE 3-U.N. Security Council to hold emergency meeting on Ukraine crisis | Reuters |
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Post by pjohns1873 on Feb 28, 2014 20:38:07 GMT
Well, now we can be certain exactly where you stand... Against bullying thugs, aye. (Too succinct again, dammo, dammo, dammo!) If a majority of the Scottish people desire independence, then Scotland should be independent, in my view. In fact, that is not even a close call. One would hope that this could be achieved peacefully; and I believe it could be. But all options should remain on the table, as the old saying goes. |
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Post by pjohns1873 on Feb 28, 2014 20:57:55 GMT
Well, now we can be certain exactly where you stand... Against bullying thugs, aye. (Too succinct again, dammo, dammo, dammo!) Evidently, for any people to resist--by force of arms, if necessary--the imposition of a puppet government (as in Ukraine), or the imposition of a government that declines to represent the citizenry, and treats these people as mere subjects (as in colonial America), is tantamount to--wait for it!--"bullying." For the record, I stand in total agreement with the view--from the Declaration of Independence--that it is entirely appropriate "for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them." |
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Post by iolo on Mar 1, 2014 12:38:01 GMT
Against bullying thugs, aye. (Too succinct again, dammo, dammo, dammo!) Evidently, for any people to resist--by force of arms, if necessary--the imposition of a puppet government (as in Ukraine), or the imposition of a government that declines to represent the citizenry, and treats these people as mere subjects (as in colonial America), is tantamount to--wait for it!--"bullying." For the record, I stand in total agreement with the view--from the Declaration of Independence--that it is entirely appropriate "for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them." What proportion of them count as 'People'? Not the ones who had to flee to Canada to escape the bullies, or the majority who elected the Ukraine's President, evidently. Come off it: you believe in those who will serve your own masters, however few those bully-boys may be, if they are prepared to make a putsch! |
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Post by fred on Mar 1, 2014 14:35:38 GMT
Against bullying thugs, aye. (Too succinct again, dammo, dammo, dammo!) If a majority of the Scottish people desire independence, then Scotland should be independent, in my view. In fact, that is not even a close call. One would hope that this could be achieved peacefully; and I believe it could be. But all options should remain on the table, as the old saying goes. If the majority vote for independence, it will happen. That being the case, there is no reason for threats of violence. The fact you're suggestive of such, says you want independence regardless of the will of the people. By the way, that last opinion polls suggest there will be a no vote. It's a long time before the real vote but, if you lose, will you start an armed resistance? |
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Post by iolo on Mar 1, 2014 17:44:32 GMT
Unless the tories keep up their bullying, the Scots are highly likely to keep the Union. Mostly we can rely on English stupidity, but I hope we can wait until we ALL want to see the back of the thieves.
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Post by pjohns1873 on Mar 2, 2014 2:39:12 GMT
Evidently, for any people to resist--by force of arms, if necessary--the imposition of a puppet government (as in Ukraine), or the imposition of a government that declines to represent the citizenry, and treats these people as mere subjects (as in colonial America), is tantamount to--wait for it!--"bullying." For the record, I stand in total agreement with the view--from the Declaration of Independence--that it is entirely appropriate "for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them." What proportion of them count as 'People'? Not the ones who had to flee to Canada to escape the bullies, or the majority who elected the Ukraine's President, evidently. Come off it: you believe in those who will serve your own masters, however few those bully-boys may be, if they are prepared to make a putsch! Whar sort of "bull[ying]," exactly, do you suppose that the American patriots were guilty of? And do you really believe that Americans in the eighteenth century should have meekly accepted their subjugation to any government? Or that Americans in the twenty-first century should meekly accept their subjugation to any government? Why, pray tell? |
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Post by iolo on Mar 3, 2014 16:26:14 GMT
What proportion of them count as 'People'? Not the ones who had to flee to Canada to escape the bullies, or the majority who elected the Ukraine's President, evidently. Come off it: you believe in those who will serve your own masters, however few those bully-boys may be, if they are prepared to make a putsch! Whar sort of "bull[ying]," exactly, do you suppose that the American patriots were guilty of? And do you really believe that Americans in the eighteenth century should have meekly accepted their subjugation to any government? Or that Americans in the twenty-first century should meekly accept their subjugation to any government? Why, pray tell? Why do you think people left their homes after the success of the traitors - excessive love? The Americans of the Eighteenth Century had the choice of subjection to their king or to thieves, as you know. - not much of a choice, certainly. If you prefer to be a slave to the capitalists, enjoy - just bugger off out of our world, including the Ukraine. |
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