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Post by smartmouthwoman on Sept 27, 2013 1:31:29 GMT
Isn't it amazing there's only ONE major conservative news outlet but even one is too much for libs. Such a hateful president. How can anyone be surprised we're seeing an increase in violent acts? So much hate for anyone or anything that dares oppose him. What a self-absorbed little man he is. College students are the only ones who still listen to him. And they're the ones who are gonna pay the most for what he's 'giving' them. What suckers. source: The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier |
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Post by openmind on Sept 27, 2013 3:37:11 GMT
In my opinion, your comment is nothing more than a sad, petty, and dishonest interpretation of a straight forward (and accurate) comment made by our President.
The stupidity of too many Fox addicts is well documented. I was, however, expecting a lot more from you.
And, why post exactly the same OP in two forums? Do you need the support of Obama haters EVERYWHERE?
So sad!
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Post by snarky on Sept 27, 2013 10:36:35 GMT
funny how b4 2010, after my kid turned 22 & was kicked off our ins... he had to get the POS university plan that cost $100 a month (considered cheap right? because it was a 'group' plan). however, it was so pathetic- it didn't even cover flu shots... had an annual cap of $25K & a lifetime cap of only $50K... one bad car crash or nasty illness & POOF! no mo' healthcare. god knows what he would have had to pay if it were an individual policy to boot. thousands have been saved already by getting BACK onto our plan for the last 3 years. & when the exchanges are up & running... YA.... he'll save even more now that he can actually AFFORD a plan of his own . that is only one small bennie of the ACA & there's more to come, such as no more so called 'caps' is it perfect? nope. most are just basic reforms that should have been in place anyways--- some were at one time...then greed became the name of the game & they slowly got stripped away. i remember when blue cross/blue shield was a 'not for profit' healthcare co. when was the last time you heard that phrase mentioned- say................in the last couple decades at least?
oh & as far as premiums on reg healthcare policies thru an employer skyrocketing? i just saw what increase we'll be paying for 2014. a $10 increase biweekly = $20 a month. that's because 80-85% of one's premiums are mandated to be used di-rectly for the policy holders healthcare rather than a CEOs pocket. how radical.
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Post by snarky on Sept 27, 2013 10:51:56 GMT
& while these stunts of repeal after repeal after scores of attempted repeals over the mandated into law ACA over these last few years to the tune of 10s of millions of dollars spent... knowing full well that it was going to go nowhere- & now a 'delay' ... the so called 'CONservatives' still have zero in the way of an alternative....is that because the status quo has worked so well? apparently to some because there is nothing to take its place in the healthcare for profit world. perhaps taking a looksey at what's real about it instead of the pablum being spoonfed might enlighten some, like the rest of that dr. suess story that was CONveniently left out.... how the stubborn critter in green eggs & ham found out it wasn't so bad after all. www.healthcare.gov/ |
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Post by ShivaTD on Sept 27, 2013 12:02:12 GMT
Personally I quit watch Fox News years ago as it is basically nothing more than a Republican propaganda machine that only presents partial information and half-truths that support the Republican agenda. It's not a news source where a person can become informed on the actual issues without political censorship of the facts.
I can see a legitimate reason for anyone that wants unbiased reporting to condemn Fox News because it's not a news outlet that makes any attempt to be unbiased.
What is interesting is that "conservatives" condemn any news organization that attempts to present all sides of an issue in an unbiased manner as being "liberal" and support Fox News that makes no attempt at presenting all sides of an issue. It's not like Fox News is actively reporting that 59% of Americans oppose the House Republicans linking defunding of Obamacare (for the 42nd time) to the spending bill and raising the debt limit.
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Post by snarky on Sept 27, 2013 12:20:20 GMT
Personally I quit watch Fox News years ago as it is basically nothing more than a Republican propaganda machine that only presents partial information and half-truths that support the Republican agenda. It's not a news source where a person can become informed on the actual issues without political censorship of the facts.
I can see a legitimate reason for anyone that wants unbiased reporting to condemn Fox News because it's not a news outlet that makes any attempt to be unbiased.
What is interesting is that "conservatives" condemn any news organization that attempts to present all sides of an issue in an unbiased manner as being "liberal" and support Fox News that makes no attempt at presenting all sides of an issue. It's not like Fox News is actively reporting that 59% of Americans oppose the House Republicans linking defunding of Obamacare (for the 42nd time) to the spending bill and raising the debt limit.
i don't even have cable, so anybody that might say/think/accuse me of watching MSNBC would be incorrect...however the 'we report, you decide' network & talking pundits employed by them does take it to a new level. when i hear a clip/soundbite or a 'reported' news story (no matter the source) i will try to research it to see how accurate it is. & not wiki either... if a source is not credible or accepted when doing a university level paper, then it's not used in my research. for example one time bill o'really talked about & showcased some mook who 'reported' that union protesters were being violent & he was 'reporting' from wisCONsin... he subsequently showed footage of some such violence that took place... problem was it showed palm trees in the background. last i heard, wisCONsin doesn't have palm trees. oopsie. ya.... they 'reported' & i 'decided' it was BS lies. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Sept 27, 2013 12:54:29 GMT
It is also my habit to only use the news media as a starting point in doing an investigation on a topic. Now I may rely on numerous different news sources to draw a conclusion on minor issues if they're all confirming the same thing but on major issues I tend to dig deeper. For example if a poll is cited I often go directly to the poll. We'll read news stories on a Gallop Poll for example that provides a summary but the poll is also online for review.
For example I read a recent Fox News story online where they cited a recent Gallop Poll where only 30% of Americans expressed a belief that President Obama was "very concerned" (I forget the exact wording) with their needs and problems. Of course, as with all Gallop Polls there were five categories that the respondent could select from "very" to "somewhat" to "neutral" to "not much" to "not at all" providing a wide range of responses. When "very" and "somewhat" were combined it equaled about 50% of the respondents which is actually a very good "approval" rating.
We can also look at the presidential approval rating, currently at 45% and the Congressional approval rating, currently at 19%, and see who Americans really believe in today. Don't even ask Fox News to report those facts.
So overall the News media is a source for further investigation but far too many "conservatives" believe that they're actually informed by listening or watch Fox News. Of course they're not informed because Fox doesn't present all of the information necessary to be informed on any topic... nor does CNN but CNN often, albeit not always, presents both sides of an issue whereas Fox really doesn't.
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Post by JP5 on Sept 27, 2013 21:45:11 GMT
It's more than just hate for the 1/2 of the nation he's supposed to be leading......he continues to create a bogeyman. He's done this from Day One----it's how he tries to create "cover" for his failures. I think he's getting some pretty serious info right now that Obamacare isn't working and isn't ready for Prime Time...and people are rejecting it. So......what does he do? He tries to create a bogeyman to blame it on......
He's always got to have someone else....some person (Bush) or some group (Republicans) to blame his failures on.
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Post by JP5 on Sept 27, 2013 21:50:44 GMT
It is also my habit to only use the news media as a starting point in doing an investigation on a topic. Now I may rely on numerous different news sources to draw a conclusion on minor issues if they're all confirming the same thing but on major issues I tend to dig deeper. For example if a poll is cited I often go directly to the poll. We'll read news stories on a Gallop Poll for example that provides a summary but the poll is also online for review.
For example I read a recent Fox News story online where they cited a recent Gallop Poll where only 30% of Americans expressed a belief that President Obama was "very concerned" (I forget the exact wording) with their needs and problems. Of course, as with all Gallop Polls there were five categories that the respondent could select from "very" to "somewhat" to "neutral" to "not much" to "not at all" providing a wide range of responses. When "very" and "somewhat" were combined it equaled about 50% of the respondents which is actually a very good "approval" rating.
We can also look at the presidential approval rating, currently at 45% and the Congressional approval rating, currently at 19%, and see who Americans really believe in today. Don't even ask Fox News to report those facts.
So overall the News media is a source for further investigation but far too many "conservatives" believe that they're actually informed by listening or watch Fox News. Of course they're not informed because Fox doesn't present all of the information necessary to be informed on any topic... nor does CNN but CNN often, albeit not always, presents both sides of an issue whereas Fox really doesn't.
Your post makes the erroneous assumption that ALL Republicans listen to and watch ONLY Fox. That's not true. I listen to the liberals too......NPR and CNN, to get their point of view. Your post also makes the erroneous assumption that is it ONLY Republicans watching Fox News. Since they continue to beat the pants off of ANY and ALL liberal mainstream news sources, that's just not true. It's watched by Independents AND Democrats. It's because they have the best and fairest programs. Who wants to listen to a host talk about his love for the president as he describes the tingle he gets up his leg whenever he thinks about him? No thanks....I'd rather watch and listen to the reporting of those FAR MORE objective and unbiased. My favorite political discussion panel is Fox's "The Five" on at 5pm. You won't find any smarter women anywhere than those 3 appearing on that show. And the Democrat on the panel.....Bob Beckel is quite good and I've come to love the guy. He's a Democrat allright....and wrong on many issues, IMO. But he's also right on a few and I respect him. He believe what he believes and he's free to say so there....without being called a racist, a bigot, or an Obama hater.....as is the case when it happens in reverse. |
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Post by snarky on Sept 27, 2013 23:31:31 GMT
lol. lol. lol. lol.and one more lol makes 10.  |
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Post by ShivaTD on Sept 28, 2013 6:25:37 GMT
It is true that Fox Cable News has the highest viewership of cable news sources capturing just under 1/2 of the market. There are also a couple of other facts that we can look at.
Most Americans are poorly informed on the issues and if they're depending upon any single news source then they are very uninformed on the issues. Fox Cable News is "News For Dummies" and it's not surprising that so many dummies watch it.
People in poverty, which is a significant percentage of Americans today and getting worse, don't typically have cable television because they can't afford it.
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Post by JP5 on Sept 28, 2013 9:16:17 GMT
It is true that Fox Cable News has the highest viewership of cable news sources capturing just under 1/2 of the market. There are also a couple of other facts that we can look at.
Most Americans are poorly informed on the issues and if they're depending upon any single news source then they are very uninformed on the issues. Fox Cable News is "News For Dummies" and it's not surprising that so many dummies watch it.
People in poverty, which is a significant percentage of Americans today and getting worse, don't typically have cable television because they can't afford it. |
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Post by ShivaTD on Sept 28, 2013 10:35:52 GMT
It is true that Fox Cable News has the highest viewership of cable news sources capturing just under 1/2 of the market. There are also a couple of other facts that we can look at.
Most Americans are poorly informed on the issues and if they're depending upon any single news source then they are very uninformed on the issues. Fox Cable News is "News For Dummies" and it's not surprising that so many dummies watch it.
People in poverty, which is a significant percentage of Americans today and getting worse, don't typically have cable television because they can't afford it.
Now I can't claim that Fox News specifically states this but I do know that there is a general Republican belief, often expressed and probably expressed on Fox News, that we've spent trillions of dollars on welfare but it hasn't ended poverty but the War on Poverty was not about providing assistance. The War on Poverty was about civil rights violations that creates economic discrimination that results in poverty. The welfare assistance merely mitigates the effects of the civil rights violations that still have to be resolved based upon the War on Poverty. Yes, as a nation we're failing to end economic discrimination that results in poverty but that's not "welfares" fault. That's our fault. Welfare just mitigates the discrimination and civil rights violations that creates poverty.
If Republicans want to end "welfare" then they need to address discrimination and civil rights violations that result in poverty but they don't choose to do this. They believe we should allow the discrimination and civil rights violations and do nothing to mitigate the effects of it.
As I noted I can't say that Fox News specifically promotes this but Republicans certainly do and Fox News is the mouthpiece of the Republican Party.
Once again a person needs to do a lot more than simply listen to the news whether it's Fox, CNN or CNBC because the news outlets don't provide the full story. If Republicans want to talk about the War on Poverty then they need to go back to LBJ's 1964 State of the Union Address and read it because it wasn't about "welfare" but instead it was about "civil rights" and until we end the economic discrimination based upon race, ethnic origin, and gender we have a long ways to go in winning the War on Poverty. The "welfare" simply reflects that fact that we're not trying hard enough to win the War on Poverty.
Republicans aren't offering proposals to end racial, ethnic, or gender economic discrimination and many often try to deny it even exists in spite of every economic study done in the last 50 years.
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Sept 28, 2013 20:44:40 GMT
So you're saying that most "people in poverty" are Democrats, eh? Well, you may be right. After all, they keep voting for the wrong people who keep them there!!!
Now I can't claim that Fox News specifically states this but I do know that there is a general Republican belief, often expressed and probably expressed on Fox News, that we've spent trillions of dollars on welfare but it hasn't ended poverty but the War on Poverty was not about providing assistance. The War on Poverty was about civil rights violations that creates economic discrimination that results in poverty. The welfare assistance merely mitigates the effects of the civil rights violations that still have to be resolved based upon the War on Poverty. Yes, as a nation we're failing to end economic discrimination that results in poverty but that's not "welfares" fault. That's our fault. Welfare just mitigates the discrimination and civil rights violations that creates poverty.
If Republicans want to end "welfare" then they need to address discrimination and civil rights violations that result in poverty but they don't choose to do this. They believe we should allow the discrimination and civil rights violations and do nothing to mitigate the effects of it.
As I noted I can't say that Fox News specifically promotes this but Republicans certainly do and Fox News is the mouthpiece of the Republican Party.
Once again a person needs to do a lot more than simply listen to the news whether it's Fox, CNN or CNBC because the news outlets don't provide the full story. If Republicans want to talk about the War on Poverty then they need to go back to LBJ's 1964 State of the Union Address and read it because it wasn't about "welfare" but instead it was about "civil rights" and until we end the economic discrimination based upon race, ethnic origin, and gender we have a long ways to go in winning the War on Poverty. The "welfare" simply reflects that fact that we're not trying hard enough to win the War on Poverty.
Republicans aren't offering proposals to end racial, ethnic, or gender economic discrimination and many often try to deny it even exists in spite of every economic study done in the last 50 years.
Fox News is the only major voice of Conservatives... not just Republicans, Conservatives. And yet mouth breathing liberals would like to shut it down. Exactly when was it that lefties decided to fight to kill free speech? When his majesty Barack took office? As long as libs have ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc., Fox News will exist. Obama's mission is useless... like the minions who kiss his boots. |
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Post by smartmouthwoman on Sept 28, 2013 20:50:42 GMT
In my opinion, your comment is nothing more than a sad, petty, and dishonest interpretation of a straight forward (and accurate) comment made by our President. The stupidity of too many Fox addicts is well documented. I was, however, expecting a lot more from you. And, why post exactly the same OP in two forums? Do you need the support of Obama haters EVERYWHERE? So sad! Different forums, different responses. None quite as useless as yours, though *Obaaaaama* |
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