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Post by niff on Nov 5, 2013 20:39:36 GMT
Trouble is the 'up number' is from those who think he's doing a terrible job. While the 'down numbers' are from those who think he's doing a great job. Look at both numbers and you are looking at a failed Presidency by any measure. Who now in their right mind would begin to think in their wildest dreams that some 'miracle' will transcend all of Obama's incompetencies and by the time he has shuffled off back to where he's most at home IE 'Chicagoland' his positive number will be even close to forty %? www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx |
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Post by JP5 on Nov 5, 2013 23:07:50 GMT
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 6, 2013 11:06:02 GMT
Although this is from a couple of days ago it is still relevant.
Americans are frustrated with our government, period, and the Congress more so that the president is being held accountable.
I was watching CNN address Immigration Reform with a Republican and Democrat on Monday. The Republicans in the House want piecemeal legislative immigration reform as opposed to the comprehensive immigration reform law submitted by the Senate. The Democrat asked, "Then where's the House legislation?" because there isn't any. The Republican response was, "The House Republicans have been preoccupied with the disaster of Obamacare" (both paraphrased) but the House Republicans haven't created one piece of legislation to fix a single problem related to "Obamacare" either and have no intentions of doing so. Instead they waste time on "House" investigations on why the Health Exchange has problems when they want the Health Exchange to have problems.
On a final note that if approval ratings reflect that "Americans really don't like being LIED to" then the Republican Party has a much more serious creditability problem than the President.
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Post by niff on Nov 6, 2013 13:25:43 GMT
Why should the REPs have to "fix" Obama's disaster? The DEMs OWN the Obamacare fiasco. Let them "fix" it. Let the DEM congressmen and senators go back to their districts and try to spin the fiasco to the millions of voters who have had their health insurance cancelled. "It's really the REPs fault you know". Yeah right.
I wonder what percent of potential voters who have had their health insurance cancelled voted for Obama.
This is the icing on Obama's failed presidency.
Bottom line: Obama is a Socialist who is doing everything he can to turn America into a Socialist country. The 'Takers' of course love him. Why wouldn't they? Look at his 'base'. All 'Takers'.
I wonder how your average middle class 'soccer mom' who had the luxury of voting for Obama's Socialist Utopia while at the same time hubby is off to work bringing in a comfortable pay cheque is going to feel when she opens the letter from the insurance company and now has to cough up thousands more bucks a year for health insurance?
Times that by millions and Obama just handed millions of votes in 14/16 to the REPs.
Many thanks Obama. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 6, 2013 17:48:37 GMT
Why should the REPs have to "fix" Obama's disaster? The DEMs OWN the Obamacare fiasco. Let them "fix" it.
Let us also acknowledge that the problems are not for Democrats or Republicans. The problems are for the American People and we expect Congress to address those problems.
Yes, the Democrats can propose legislation to fix the problems for the American People created by "Obamacare" but if Republicans block those efforts they're not blocking the Democrats but instead are blocking the legislative measures necessary to fix the problems for Americans. From what I've read the Republicans are taking the position that they will oppose any "fixes" to "Obamacare" by the Democrats which would adversely affect the American People because they will continue to experience unnecessary problems where the "fix" has been defined. That isn't an "anti-Obamacare" position but instead an "anti-American People" position by Republicans.
Of course I call on Republicans because I believe they have ideas that can fix some of the fundamental problems. Remember back to 2009. The Republicans did offer some good (and some bad) proposals at the time but they fundamentally declined to participate in the crafting of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act because they refused to address the problem.
In 2009 Republicans failed to propose any legislation that would ensure that the roughly 30 million Americans without health insurance, either public or private, because they couldn't afford it would be covered. The problem was the tens of millions of uninsured that couldn't afford health care services and the Republicans did not address the problem. The Democrats didn't reject the Republican Plan because the Republicans offered no plan to reject. They're still not offering a plan for consideration.
Republicans should really be grateful that the Democrats didn't shove a single-payer system on the American People in 2009 because that's what the Democrats really wanted. Instead Democrats shoved previous "conservative" proposals for national health care down the throats of Americans in trying to gain Republican support. A single-payer system wouldn't have had nearly as many problems as "Obamacare" does today but it would have cost the taxpayers far more.
I don't like many aspects of "Obamacare" but it was designed to provide health care for tens of millions of Americans that couldn't fully afford private insurance or that should have qualified for Medicaid previously but didn't. The "purpose" of "Obamacare" can't be argued with but the specifics of "Obamacare" can be. I don't believe the Democrats have all the answers nor do the Republicans have all the answers but as a team they could come up with most of them.
Most of the American People expect the elected members of Congress to put the American People above their political agenda and that requires both Republicans and Democrats to work together to fix the numerous problems with "Obamacare" because the American People suffer if they refuse to do that. If Congress was doing it's job it's "approval rating wouldn't be in the tank" but Congress is not doing it's job.
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Post by niff on Nov 7, 2013 12:18:17 GMT
How do you 'work' with some one who says: "Just pass the bill and then we'll let everyone know what's in it"? 'Dirty Harry' hasn't put up a budget in over five years. He refuses to b/c he knows his own party would never pass it let alone the REPs. KS said yesterday that convicted felons can be "navigators". There are already dozens of 'scams' claiming to be with Obamacare. All you need to do is give them all your financial records.
The roll-out is an utter failure.
Obama had two years of complete control of the Government. What the hell did he do in those two years except attempt to 'Nationalize' anything that moved.
How do you work with some one who's an incompetent liar/phony/Socialist?
BTW, thanks for admitting the DEMs have really wanted 'single payer' all along. Didn't take a genius to know that.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 7, 2013 12:52:44 GMT
Yes, the Senate hasn't done much related to the budget but we must also understand the Constitutional process. The President is required to submit a budget to Congress which is then taken up by the House. In the House legislation in needs to include spending authorizations as well as the necessary tax measures to fund the expenditures. Taxing authority for general spending measures can only originate in the House.
When was the last time that the House passed legislation that included the tax provisions necessary to fund the authorized expenditures before sending it to the Senate for legislative action? The Senate cannot be expected to act under the US Constitution until the House first fulfills it's Constitutional responsibilities.
I believe the last time this happened was under Bill Clinton in 2000.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 7, 2013 13:11:01 GMT
How do you 'work' with some one who says: "Just pass the bill and then we'll let everyone know what's in it"? BTW, thanks for admitting the DEMs have really wanted 'single payer' all along. Didn't take a genius to know that.
It is quite dishonest for Republicans to complain about a law that they simply refused to participate in creating.
Yes, the hardcore "left" is still advocating a single-payer system and like Republicans are just waiting for "Obamacare" to fail to gain political support for imposing on Americans. "Obamacare" maybe bad legislation in many ways, and I agree with that, but if it fails then get ready for "single-payer" because that's the only other proposal out there. Republicans haven't offered any proposals to date and will lose out to "single-payer" of "Obamacare" fails.
What part of "not offering an alternative solution" do Republicans fail to understand? They didn't offer an alternative to "Obamacare" in 2009 so we got stuck with it. They haven't offered an alternative since 2009 and if "Obamacare" fails we're going to get stuck with the only other proposal out there which is the "single-payer" system.
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Post by niff on Nov 7, 2013 17:59:24 GMT
As Obamacare has shown to be a complete disaster I doubt 'single payer' will have enough support from the 'Makers'. The bottom line is both plans are based on a Socialist principle.
Wait until thousands of scammers have basically polluted the system to the point where no one in their right mind will go on-line to sign up. It's already happening.
America is the wrong country to have a law that demands young and healthy income earners must pay for the health care of the sick and elderly and the poor. These Makers our growing increasingly POed at having to watch their hard earned bucks get squandered by Obama and Co.
How many people who have received cancellation notices are going to go out and vote for the DEMs in 14/16? The REP turnout will be historic and every DEM politician is going to have to go home and explain to tens of thousands of Makers'/cancellation recipients why Obama blatantly lied in order to get his Socialist health plan passed. Good luck with that.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 7, 2013 21:37:12 GMT
"Obamacare" is ultimately going to be judged based upon how many tens of millions of uninsured Americans will have insurance or be covered by Medicaid that previously had neither. The "costs" and the "problems" are going to be soon forgotten if the goal of providing health care to tens of millions of low income Americans is accomplished.
That's were the Republicans are going to lose the fight because they can't stop the insuring of tens of millions of Americans. They have managed to partially block it by not accepting the expansion of Medicaid in many states. They've even made "Obamacare" more messy, costly, and problematic by refusing to set up their own State insurance exchanges. They're also going to pay a political price for that in the future as well. Remember that just as many Republicans are poor as Democrats and they're not going to appreciate that they can't go to a doctor while someone in a state that expanded Medicaid can.
"Obamacare" is going to achieve it's goal and will be considered to be a success based upon that. It is costly, messy, and problematic but it will still achieve it's goal. The only option now it to create something else to replace it that isn't as costly, isn't as messy, and isn't as problematic as "Obamacare" but that still accomplishes the same goal.
Apparently Republicans simply can't see the writing on the wall because "Obamacare" will achieve it's goal.
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Post by niff on Nov 8, 2013 13:48:36 GMT
charlotte.cbslocal.com/2013/11/08/rocky-start-for-north-carolina-health-care-exchanges/"Tens of millions"? That's a joke right? At the rate people are actually signing up it will take about a hundred years. LOL Of course of those tens of millions how many are going to have their bank accounts emptied by scammers? It's already started to happen. The funny part is the scammers are so far ahead of Obama's 'non-bide' Tech buddies they will have completely compromised the security of the Gov. site in a couple of months and then no one in their right mind will go anywhere near the site. Might as well start a 'relationship' with that nice woman in Nigeria who wants to give you millions of dollars just for you sending her ten thousand right?
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Post by niff on Nov 8, 2013 13:58:35 GMT
The only reason Obama 'sort of' apologized last night was b/c he had had a room full of VERY angry DEM politicians screaming at him about them losing their jobs in 14/16.
Every voter who has/will recieve a cancellation letter will NOT be voting for Obama/LIBs in 14/16. That you can take to the bank. Obama's lies and broken promises will mean the end of a lot of DEM political careers. Oh the irony. Elect some one based solely on the color of their skin with zero experience and watch him prove what a stupid idea it was.
Anyway, everyone better get their cameras out to get photos of the last Black President ever to put his heels on the Oval office desk.
Watch how many DEM politicians will throw Obama under the bus as 14 draws near. Should be ineresting to watch.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 8, 2013 14:16:15 GMT
I can only go by my State Exchange numbers (as opposed to the Federal Exchange number because of the access problems) and we're well ahead of the projected enrollment. By 2015, based upon the state projections, over 1/2 of the roughly 600,000 uninsured that are qualified for subsidized private health insurance will actually have it and, based upon current projections, well over 70% of those qualified for Medicaid will be covered.
No, that is not 100% but that's just for the first two years of the program and as it becomes more acceptable, and as the tax penalty goes up and the number of employers providing health insurance goes up we're going to rapidly come close to perhaps 90% of all the people in Washington being covered by either employer insurance, private insurance, or Medicaid.
It would be my belief, based upon the numbers coming in already, and realizing that the Federal Exchange is supposed to be basically fixed by the end of November, that somewhere between 10 million and 20 million will be covered under "Obamacare" in 2014 alone.
Just a rough calculation on my part but, excluding those states that have turned down expanded Medicaid that will result in about 5 million uninsured Americans under Medicaid not receiving any coverage, I'd estimate we will reach that 90% coverage of the uninsured by 2020. That number is in the "tens of millions of Americans" range being addressed.
Of course Congress could provide for the last 10% as well but I doubt that Republicans would get onboard with that because they've consistently opposed ensuring that All Americans receive quality health care even though it's a part of the Republican Party Platform.
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Post by niff on Nov 8, 2013 14:29:59 GMT
So SPECIFICALLY! how many in your state (which one) have actually "enrolled" and SPECIFICALLY explain what "enrollment means. Can these people now go to a health service entity say with a card or number and that entity will then provide the required health care? I VERY much doubt that. Anyway I'm waiting for your "enrollment" numbers and the name of your state. Then we'll see.
As far as "projections" about where Obamacare will be maybe it's better not to go there. KS and CO. had years to 'make projections'. I 'project' more people will get their bank accounts emptied by Nigerian scammers by the end of the year then there will be people with legit health care coverage who can actually show up at a hospital and only have to pay the deductible to get their ingrown toenail treated.
IF NC is having such a hard time maybe tell them to call your state for help right?
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Post by niff on Nov 8, 2013 14:39:06 GMT
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