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Post by JP5 on Nov 8, 2013 15:35:45 GMT
I can only go by my State Exchange numbers (as opposed to the Federal Exchange number because of the access problems) and we're well ahead of the projected enrollment. By 2015, based upon the state projections, over 1/2 of the roughly 600,000 uninsured that are qualified for subsidized private health insurance will actually have it and, based upon current projections, well over 70% of those qualified for Medicaid will be covered.
No, that is not 100% but that's just for the first two years of the program and as it becomes more acceptable, and as the tax penalty goes up and the number of employers providing health insurance goes up we're going to rapidly come close to perhaps 90% of all the people in Washington being covered by either employer insurance, private insurance, or Medicaid.
It would be my belief, based upon the numbers coming in already, and realizing that the Federal Exchange is supposed to be basically fixed by the end of November, that somewhere between 10 million and 20 million will be covered under "Obamacare" in 2014 alone.
Just a rough calculation on my part but, excluding those states that have turned down expanded Medicaid that will result in about 5 million uninsured Americans under Medicaid not receiving any coverage, I'd estimate we will reach that 90% coverage of the uninsured by 2020. That number is in the "tens of millions of Americans" range being addressed.
Of course Congress could provide for the last 10% as well but I doubt that Republicans would get onboard with that because they've consistently opposed ensuring that All Americans receive quality health care even though it's a part of the Republican Party Platform.
 MOST presidents would never have done such a dictatorial-type thing. MOST presidents would have never discounted one-half the nation as he was about to make ALL of them. But this president doesn't care....because he is the only president I can recall that actually HATES and DEMONIZES 1/2 of the nation's people. And that became apparent almost as soon as he became president. |
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Post by beevee on Nov 8, 2013 15:36:28 GMT
Is that of recent, or for the last 100 years or so? |
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Post by JP5 on Nov 8, 2013 15:44:14 GMT
Is that of recent, or for the last 100 years or so? |
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 8, 2013 16:40:51 GMT
Republicans were the only party that was correct about the fiasco that this piece of legislation would turn in to. And why, pray tell, would the Republicans "get onboard" to something that was SHOVED down their throats on a 100% totally PARTISAN piece of legislation that is the largest federal SOCIAL program for decades? Democrats wouldn't; so why should Republicans?
In 2009 the Congress, with Democratic leadership in both houses of Congress, was addressing the problem in America where tens of millions of Americans were without health insurance and couldn't afford quality health care or insurance to pay for their health care. The problem was not new to Congress and was actually addressed over the previous 60 years to a greater or lesser extent but the problem had never been resolved.
The Republicans did offer some proposals but they all basically dealt with "insurance" which the people couldn't afford and that never addressed the actual problem before the Congress. By default, because they never offered any plan that would provide health care services for the tens of millions of people without insurance the American People ended up stuck with "Obamacare" because it was the only proposal, other than a single-payer system, that was presented in Congress to address the problem.
The Democrats actually compromised with "Obamacare" because it wasn't a single-payer system and it was based upon prior "conservative" proposals that did address the tens of millions Americans that didn't have and couldn't afford health insurance or quality health care. Democrats "compromised" in the hopes of gaining Republican support based upon "conservative" proposals but the Republicans didn't even want to address their own prior "conservative" proposals.
Knowing what we know today I believe that Democrats would have passed a single-payer system had they known that adopting "conservative" proposals in crafting "Obamacare" still wouldn't result in any Republican support. The "good and the bad" of a single-payer system is that it wouldn't have been problematic implementing like "Obamacare" (the good part) but it would have cost at least twice as much (the bad part).
Bottom line is that the logical reason why Republicans should become involved now is because they refused to become involved before when they had the opportunity in 2009 and because the Republican Party Platform itself states that a goal of the Republican Party is to ensure quality health care for Americans and that means ALL Americans and not just those that can afford health insurance.
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Post by niff on Nov 9, 2013 14:45:31 GMT
You still haven't said which state you are in where 'enrolling' is so easy. If Obamacare was running so wonderfully I'm sure you'd be the first one to inform us all which state it is. You won't b/c it's not working ANYWHERE. You know it.
Delaware-what five people so far? Any of them paid up yet? No? Why? B/c have can't b/c the entire Obamacare roll-out remains a humiliating fiasco. That's what happens when a President is elected solely b/c of the color of his skin.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 9, 2013 15:03:20 GMT
You still haven't said which state you are in where 'enrolling' is so easy. If Obamacare was running so wonderfully I'm sure you'd be the first one to inform us all which state it is. You won't b/c it's not working ANYWHERE. You know it. Delaware-what five people so far? Any of them paid up yet? No? Why? B/c have can't b/c the entire Obamacare roll-out remains a humiliating fiasco. That's what happens when a President is elected solely b/c of the color of his skin.
Of course I can only go by what I read because I'm one of the 90% of Americans not really affected by "Obamacare" at all. Hell, my insurance rates, based upon my November renewal notice, haven't even gone up and that's strange because they basically went up a little every year before now. I refuse to admit that "Obamacare" is responsible for my rates not increasing but it sure didn't cause them to increase either.
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Post by niff on Nov 10, 2013 13:36:46 GMT
There is something very evident. Only five people have signed up in DC but tens of thousands have signed up in your state. Something doesn't smell right with your 'spin'. IF things were actually going as great in your state compared to all others there wouldn't be DEM politicians screaming at Obama to fix something you claim is working fine. Please save your band width attempting to 'spin' the numbers to make the 'low information' reader believe something that isn't a fact. Even Obama's biggest sycophants on MSNBC have lost the energy to do so. And that's saying something. www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/08/congress-says-five-d-c-residents-enrolled-in-obamacare-theres-more-to-the-story/?print=1 |
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 10, 2013 15:52:34 GMT
There is something very evident. Only five people have signed up in DC but tens of thousands have signed up in your state. Something doesn't smell right with your 'spin'.
The State of Washington didn't demand that the software for our Insurance Exchange do nearly as much as the Federal government. Additionally we have far fewer people trying to access the system. Just like the more complex software creating more problems the number of people trying to access through that software dramatically increases the problems.
Even a simple-minded person should know that a software program that only has to deal with a couple of hundred thousand people is going to work far better than one has to deal with millions and millions of people.
Any state that wanted to ensure the fewest number of possible problems for the citizens and residents of their state and the best possible insurance options would have automatically jumped on the opportunity to create their own health insurance exchange. That wasn't "rocket science" because I believe we all know that a state is better at dealing with it's own people than the federal government is.
That was something I found strange with "Republican" states because they're the one's always saying that the "state is always better than the federal government" when it comes to addressing the people of the state. Why would they forfeit the opportunity to do that when it came to providing insurance for the uninsured in their states? That made no sense to me at all. Republicans literally had to go against their own statements by refusing to create their own health insurance exchanges and instead relying on the federal government to do it with a "one-size-fits-all" health insurance exchange that everyone knew would have more problems than a state created insurance exchange.
It made no sense and still makes no sense. As I've noted repeatedly I'm not a fan of many of the provisions in "Obamacare" but I don't oppose the goal of ensuring that all Americans receive quality health care if they need it. There is no doubt in my mind that there are better ways of accomplishing that goal than "Obamacare" but I don't in anyway object to the goal.
At the same time I would have been outraged politically if WA would have allowed the federal government to control our insurance exchanges. I certainly believed the "state would be better at it than the federal government" and that has proven to be true. I can't see how anyone would have believed the federal government would do a better job than the state in creating a health insurance exchange and dealing with the insurance companies. What the hell were the Republican States thinking when they opted for the federal health insurance exchange over creating their own?
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Post by niff on Nov 10, 2013 18:53:50 GMT
Millions of poor saps believed Obama when he habitually LIED about who could keep what. You know that. You say now you "can't see how anyone would have believed.........". They "believed" b/c their 'Dear Leader' told them whatever the hell he felt like to further his socialist agenda.
I used to wonder when the LIBs would wake up from the 'Obamatown' kool aid sleepy time drink he has been peddling basically from the time he was a kid. I honestly believe the LIBs are so heavily invested in NOT seeing their one and only 'Black President' fail miserably, which is what his presidency has been all about, they refuse to ever admit Obama became President purely b/c of the color of his skin. That decision on the part of LIBs will haunt them for decades.
I do believe in the beginning of Obama's Presidency there were and certainly are people who could not abide the thought that a Black man should ever be the President. Fair enough. But he has had five years to prove these racists wrong about him. But he hasn't. He's bowed and mumbled and stumbled and blown trillions of bucks on the projects that make his LIB base sort of happy.......but they never worked out. 'Cash For Clunkers'? Who's idea was that Valerie's? Sylindra? The list is endless.
Now he's rolled out what was supposed to be his all time Presidential Legacy' and what happened? He surrounded himself with LIB incompetents who as he says "burned him".
He's embarrassed himself, and his sycophants.
Chris Matthews screaming RACISM each time Obama screws up speaks volumes.
Time for some of you LIBs with still enough personal integrity to admit the truth.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 11, 2013 10:58:32 GMT
A wild guess on my part would be there are 467 thread on this same subject (an exaggeration of course) and I tire of responding to them with the same facts.
There are no provisions I'm aware of in the ACA that would require any private insurance company to cancel a policy nor are there any provisions that would require a medical service provider to not accept insurance under the ACA. What private insurance companies or health care providers choose to do cannot be blamed on the ACA.
In all of the anecdotal cases I've read the problem was not with the law but instead related to either a private insurance company deciding to terminate policies based upon a business decision or of health care providers refusing to accept insurance from the private exchanges or Medicaid for their own reason.
There has only been one ancdotal case where it appears that a person "fell through the crack" based upon the Supreme Court decision that the States did not have to accept the expansion of Medicaid and it related to a man in Florida that refused the expansion of Medicaid. That is not a problem with the ACA but instead it's a problem created by a State that refused to implement the ACA provisions where it wasn't required.
Even complaints of the sign-up problems are fundamentally being caused by those States that refused to set-up their own health insurance exchanges and there are few problems with the States that did set up their own exchange.
Yes, there are millions of Americans that aren't reviewing the facts and mistakenly blame "Obama" or "Obamacare" for problems that aren't really being created by the law. 90% of them are Republicans that have never made any proposal ever (to my knowledge) to address the problem of tens of millions of Americans not being able to afford quality health care services in America. Since 1948 when Congress first acknowledged the problem there has never been a single Republican proposal to address the problem of tens of millions of Americans that were not receiving quality health care.
"Obamacare" as bad as it is (and it has some serious problems) did actually address the problem and will fix the problem by ensuring All Americans will eventually be able to obtain quality health care if they want it. Even those States that have currently refused the expansion of Medicaid will eventually adopt that expansion over time. "Obamacare" is a bad law but it is better than no law at all because as complex, as costly, and intrusive as it is it will still "fix the problem" that Republicans have never been willing to address,
Republicans have one option and one option only and it's not to repeal/defund "Obamacare" that would take away quality health care from tens of millions of Americans. Americans will never accept that. The only option Republicans have is to make proposals that will not take away quality health care from any Americans while at the same time removing as much complexity, costs, and the problems associated with the ACA.
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Post by niff on Nov 11, 2013 13:53:15 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/business/con-men-prey-on-confusion-over-health-care-act.html?hp&_r=0And so it's started. In six months the Obamacare official web-site will be so polluted with con-men and identity thieves and scammers no one in their right mind will go anywhere near the site. That's what happens when you give 'no-contract' bids to build the site to your political cronies and they in turn hire first year computer science idiots to write code for min. wage. Should have hired Ron Jerome. Every porn site works perfectly..........although you may end up with some one from Romania trying to buy a fur coat using your credit card. LOL Already there are sites warning that if the official site's address has a double forward slash it's a fake. Or is it the other way around? At this point debating whether Obamacare is a good thing for the country seems a bit 'previous' in light of the fact that the ability to even sign up is compromised by thieves and code written by people who's second job is flipping burgers. It's all a very enlightening grand metaphor for Obama's Presidency. This is what happens when unexperienced, incompetent politically agenda driven people are put in charge based solely on who they know, not what they know.
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Post by niff on Nov 11, 2013 13:59:03 GMT
At this moment there are hacker geniuses who can literally turn the script on the Obamacare website upside down whenever anyone tries to enter the site.
Watch for a whole lot of hacking going on. This will drive the 20-30 year olds away. You know. The ones who are healthy who will be paying for the healthcare of the sick and elderly. AKA Socialist Redistribution.
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Post by niff on Nov 11, 2013 14:18:20 GMT
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 11, 2013 18:28:13 GMT
The OP is based upon the declining Approval Rating of President Obama and I have not disagreed with it at all. In fact I agreed with it because I probably only agree with about 40% of what president Obama does. That's hardly an endorsement of the Obama administration. I also pointed out that compared to the Obama administration approval rating the Approval Rating of Congress in general as well as the Tea Party Republicans specifically in the Congress are really in the toilet. No one can dispute these facts and no one does.
I don't make excuses for "Obamacare" because it is a ghastly law that is intrusive, costly, and plagued with complexities. It only has one redeeming aspect and that is that it Addressed the Problem!
The problem was tens of millions of Americans that couldn't afford quality health care or the insurance to pay for it. That was the problem.
What I won't do is make excuses for Republicans that have never offered any proposal to Fix the Problem. Every legislative proposal in the history of the United States to "Fix the Problem" has originated under Democratic adminstrations and the Republicans have consistently refused to be a part of defining the resolution to The Problem.
I'm not going to make excuses for Republican controlled State that refused to create their own Health Insurance Exchanges where the citizens of Their States wouldn't have the problems related to the Federal Health Insurance Exchange. I'm not going to make excuses for citizens of States that might not have access to quality health care services because the Republican controlled government of the State refused to expand Medicaid.
Obamacare is a horrible law but it did accomplish it's goal, less Republican obstructionism, of providing quality health care for Americans that couldn't afford those services or the insurance to pay for them. That was the goal and Obamacare, as bad as it is, will eventually meet that goal. The Republicans have always had the opportunity to be involved in the creation of the law that would have addressed the problem but refused to do so. They still have that opportunity to ensure that ALL Americans have quality health care without the negative aspects of Obamacare but they refuse to do that.
As I've mentioned elsewhere there were 'three' proposals in 2009. The Democrats in the House proposes the "single-payer" option to address the problem. The Democrats in the Senate proposed the ACA (based upon prior non-congressional conservatives proposals in an effort to gain Republican support). The Republicans in both the House and the Senate proposed the "Do Nothing" option by ignoring the problem completely. The "Do Nothing" option wasn't really an option if the problem was to be addressed and resolved and lacking any proposal better than Obamacare the House and Senate approved Obamacare.
I don't blame the Democrats for fixing the problem with a crappy law. I blame the Republicans for never offering an alternative to a crappy law that would fix the problem. The Congress in 2009 only had three options in addressing the problem of tens of millions of Americans that weren't receiving quality health care and they went from "Bad To Worst" and in order they were the "ACA" option, the "Single-Payer" option, and the "Do Nothing" option and the Republicans were supporting the worst option because it didn't address the problem at all.
We're going into 2014 and the least "worst" option is being implemented and while it will "fix the problem" its a bad law. Today we need to "Keep the Fix" and remove all of the negative aspects to the law. Americans are not going to go back to allowing tens of millions of Americans to go without Quality Health Care ever. We're not going to take that away from the tens of millions that will receive quality health care regardless of the costs or problems associated with it. We need to address the costs and problems with Obamacare because that is the only political option available.
That is and has always been my position. It doesn't make excuses for Obamacare nor do I make excuses for Republicans that failed to become involved in fixing the problem and that still refuse to become involved in correction the law that fixed the problem by offering any alternatives and are fundamentally victims of their own refusal to become involved in the fix.
When Republicans make a proposal that is superior to Obamacare then they become a part of the solution. As it is they're nothing but a part of the problems associated with Obamacare.
Ironically I'm a Libertarian and I haven't read of any Libertarian Party solution to "The Problem" either. Even without a Libertarian Party proposal I still made an individual "off-the-cuff" proposal in the Healthcare forum based upon the principle that ensuring that all Americans receive quality health care should be a responsibility of the States and not the Federal government. Not a perfect solution but it is a solution to the problem and it's one hell of a lot better than Obamacare.
Where are proposals from "Republicans" or "conservatives" on this forum that would "fix the problem" and be better than Obamacare? I haven't seen a single one.
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Post by niff on Nov 12, 2013 12:47:10 GMT
Think about it. You fully agree that the 'roll-out' was a fiasco. The fact the LIBs had an unlimited amount of money and over three years to fail ought to make anyone ask if the company's 'shipping and handling' department is so effed up there's a very good chance the product they are trying to sell is just as effed up. That's basic human nature. The LIBS OWN this eff-up and the REPS are under no obligation to come running to fix it. "You wanted to go for a car ride! I don't think we can afford it! Now the car won't start and you except me to fix it? Good effing luck". You admit the Libertarians also don't have any ideas to fix it. You know what? Sometimes an idea some one has turns out to be not a great one. Obama has staked his Presidential legacy on a Socialist utopian wet dream. He failed. It turned out to be like everything Obama has touched.......a failure. Now 50,000 of Obama's 'base' have been hired to 'navigate'. And looky looky. Look who have crawled out from under their rocks www.nationalreview.com/article/363699/truth-about-navigators-john-fundI warned you that Obamacare would end up polluted with scammers/thieves/ identity theft experts. What I forgot to add were the Black people who are willfully advising other Blacks to break the law. Anyone like an ACORN? |
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MOST presidents would never have done such a dictatorial-type thing. MOST presidents would have never discounted one-half the nation as he was about to make ALL of them. But this president doesn't care....because he is the only president I can recall that actually HATES and DEMONIZES 1/2 of the nation's people. And that became apparent almost as soon as he became president. 
