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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 12, 2013 13:50:32 GMT
Think about it. You fully agree that the 'roll-out' was a fiasco. The fact the LIBs had an unlimited amount of money and over three years to fail ought to make anyone ask if the company's 'shipping and handling' department is so effed up there's a very good chance the product they are trying to sell is just as effed up. That's basic human nature. The LIBS OWN this eff-up and the REPS are under no obligation to come running to fix it. "You wanted to go for a car ride! I don't think we can afford it! Now the car won't start and you except me to fix it? Good effing luck". You admit the Libertarians also don't have any ideas to fix it. You know what? Sometimes an idea some one has turns out to be not a great one. Obama has staked his Presidential legacy on a Socialist utopian wet dream. He failed. It turned out to be like everything Obama has touched.......a failure. Now 50,000 of Obama's 'base' have been hired to 'navigate'. And looky looky. Look who have crawled out from under their rocks www.nationalreview.com/article/363699/truth-about-navigators-john-fundI warned you that Obamacare would end up polluted with scammers/thieves/ identity theft experts. What I forgot to add were the Black people who are willfully advising other Blacks to break the law. Anyone like an ACORN?
The good attributes that must be retained:
1) The law provides that when fully implemented (and someday it will be one way or the other) that no American would be without either private health insurance that would be subsidized for those that can't afford the full costs of insurance or that would be covered under Medicaid (either pre-expansion or post-expansion provisions). It addressed the problem of tens of millions of Americans that were unable to afford quality health services.
End of good points that must be retained.
List of bad attributes that need to be eliminated:
1) Too expensive.
2) Hugely complex.
3) Expands an already oversize federal government.
4) Add to the list with the dozens of other complaints real or imagined.
So what's the proposal to keep the one good attribute of the law and get rid of the long list of the bad attributes?
To state that Republicans in Congress have no responsibility to the American People to try and fix the problems created by Obamacare is simply irresponsible because Congress has that responsibility regardless of what political party the members belong to.
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Post by niff on Nov 12, 2013 14:08:07 GMT
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/11/who-counts-as-an-obamacare-enrollee-the-obama-administration-settles-on-a-definition/?print=1Anyway. We'll all sit back and watch the LIBS do what they always do best. Over spend/steal/bungle/define 'incompetence at every level. The LIBs own the fiasco they attempted to cram down the people's throat. According to Obama all it's going to take to fix it is to 'tweak' it a bit and everything will be fine. If that's the truth who needs the REPs to stick their noses in right? The Obama's ship known as 'The Legacy' really only has a slight list I'm sure all those smart LIBs will be able to right it. Did you bother to check out how the "Acorners' are back committing crimes again on behalf of 'the Dear Leader'? Comments?
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Post by niff on Nov 12, 2013 14:13:25 GMT
What the LIBs are desperately attempting to do is dirty the hands of the REPS. Then of course they can claim "The REPs screwed up too!. Ain't going to happen and it's driving LIBs crazy.
That's what YOU are attempting. "Why don't the REPs get involved and attempt to fix the problems". You'd like to 'spread the blame' and deflect it away from those who are primarily responsible. That would be Obama and his merry band of 'Chicagoland' thugs and Socialist sycophants.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 12, 2013 18:56:35 GMT
What the LIBs are desperately attempting to do is dirty the hands of the REPS. Then of course they can claim "The REPs screwed up too!. Ain't going to happen and it's driving LIBs crazy. That's what YOU are attempting. "Why don't the REPs get involved and attempt to fix the problems". You'd like to 'spread the blame' and deflect it away from those who are primarily responsible. That would be Obama and his merry band of 'Chicagoland' thugs and Socialist sycophants.
No one complains about the government "doing more for people at less cost" that I'm aware of.
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Post by niff on Nov 12, 2013 20:20:38 GMT
There is literally nothing the REPs could do to "fix" what can't be fixed.
Obama made his bed and he can lay in it. If he's so effing amazing he can "fix" what he built. After all. Obama and KS and all the Obamatowners claim there is really no big problems with Obamacare. Just a little tweaking"
According to them everything should be running as slick as a porn site by Dec.1.
Funny about "bi-partisan" solutions. Obama hasn't had the slightest interest in any Rep ideas for the last five years. Now he's once again effed up and what's the first thing he wants to do? Envolve the REPS in his fiasco..
Good luck with that.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 13, 2013 12:34:31 GMT
There is literally nothing the REPs could do to "fix" what can't be fixed.
Almost 3 out of 4 Americans support the "Employer Mandate" based upon a 2012 poll.
Republicans were quick to point out the problem that this only applies to full time, not part time, employees, which might encourage some companies to depend more on part time employees as opposed to full time employees. Additionally, because there is a 50 employee minimum it might lead some companies to not break the "50 employee" workforce requirement to avoid having to provide health insurance for their employees. I could also point out that about 70% of the private sector employment is by small business that typically has fewer than 50 employees so most employers have no obligations at all related to health care for their workers under the law.
This is a problem looking for a fix and Republicans could propose a fix for it. I've proposed a fix for it but Republicans haven't. They might not agree with my fix but at least my proposal fixed all of these problems and almost 3 out of 4 Americans would support the fix because they support the Employer Mandate based upon the 2012 poll.
There are lots of "problems looking for a fix" with Obamacare and there are fixes for virtually all of them.
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Post by niff on Nov 13, 2013 13:35:59 GMT
Once the web site is fixed, assuming that will ever happen, millions of 'shoppers will be in for a bad case of 'sticker shock'.
Next year the employer mandate will kick in then watch prices and policies cause even more confusion and anger. As some one has pointed out Obamacare is basically a 'Rube Goldberg' scheme that depends on insurance policies to REDISTRIBUTE wealth from the young and healthy to the old and sick.
That is Socialism. That is Obama's wet dream. But it's night mare for Americans.
You are fixated on making Obamcare work. Fair enough. Just don't expect the REPs to help "fix" it. Not going to happen.
If Obamacare must have the REPs help to make it work forget it.
When the REPS control the Senate after 14 Obama will spend the remainder of his term sitting in the Oval office with the lights down low listening to Nell Carter tunes and watching his toe nails grow.
The truth about Obama is he never actually thought he'd become the President. He was just 'along for the ride' and knew the run would look great on his CV. He never dreamed the DEM 'back-room boys' would do the math and realize they could turn out 'the Black vote'. They knew if the one and only Black man to run for President was passed over for a White woman they could forget about ever getting the Black vote again for maybe decades.
Watch for Bill to gently but firmly push Obama under the bus. He's already started. Bill and the 'East Coast' DEMS know they must completely divorce themselves from everything 'Obama' by 16. Obama will be painted as a far Left Socialist who frankly wasn't up to the job while at the same time Hillary will be painted as a 'Center Left' moderate willing and able to work with the REPs to 'finally get things moving' in Washington.
The 'bell-weather' will be when the radical LIBs at MSNBC carefully and slowly turn their attention towards Hillary and away from their illicit 'love-child' who ended up being an incompetent embarrassment all round. This will begin happening a day after the 014 election....no matter which party wins/looses.
I guarantee you you will never see Obama standing beside Hillary during her campaign speeches.
There won't be any worries with the Black vote. Hillary will put on a little S. Baptist drawl mixed with a pinch of 'Ebonics' and show up wearing nice big flower print dresses when she has appeared to discover how much she enjoys those S. Baptist Sunday afternoon lunches. She'll get out her 'dog whistle' and appear to possibly perhaps maybe promise the Black community 'Real Change'.......this time for sure.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 13, 2013 14:30:04 GMT
As some one has pointed out Obamacare is basically a 'Rube Goldberg' scheme that depends on insurance policies to REDISTRIBUTE wealth from the young and healthy to the old and sick. If Obamacare must have the REPs help to make it work forget it.
Insurance has always relied on a majority that won't incur a financial loss to provide for the financial loss of a small minority that will incur a loss based upon statistical analysis. The "Individual Mandate" does exactly that as it creates a group that will provide a majority that will not suffer a financial loss to provide funding to mitigate the financial loss of a few. To oppose the "Individual Mandate" is fundamentally a statement in opposition to how insurance works.
Do Republicans now oppose private health insurance because that is effectively what they're stating by opposing the private insurance provisions of the ACA. Can the private insurance provision be improved? Absolutely but the principle behind the "Individual Mandate" originated with the conservative Heritage Foundation as I recall and was embraced by many conservatives prior to 2009.
Does "Obamacare" require Republicans to make it work? Absolutely not but it will retain many of the problems already identified if Republicans don't participate in fixing those problems IMHO. Remember that these problems are not really problems for the Democrats but instead they are problems for the American People.
I've already provided one that is unlikely to be fixed without Republican involvement that related to the Employer Mandate that almost 3 out of 4 Americans support.
Another would be the related problems with Medicaid where Medicaid doesn't provide adequate compensation for the medical services resulting in most private clinics declining to treat new Medicaid patients. If Congress raised the compensation for medical services under Medicaid it would result in private clinics being more willing to accept Medicaid patients that they can't afford to treat now because of Medicaid underpayments for medical services. The same is true for Medicare although Medicare wasn't really affected by Obamacare to any great extent.
The bottom line is whether Republicans are going to address the problems for the American People because Obamacare is going to work regardless of whether the problems are fixed or not. Personally I believe the problems need to be fixed and that it would require Republicans to participate to fix the problems for the American People.
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Post by iolo on Nov 13, 2013 15:48:08 GMT
Trouble is the 'up number' is from those who think he's doing a terrible job. While the 'down numbers' are from those who think he's doing a great job. Look at both numbers and you are looking at a failed Presidency by any measure. Who now in their right mind would begin to think in their wildest dreams that some 'miracle' will transcend all of Obama's incompetencies and by the time he has shuffled off back to where he's most at home IE 'Chicagoland' his positive number will be even close to forty %? www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspxHow can you possibly know? And when you look at the Republican madmen, obviously no sane person would even kick them for fear of infection. |
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Post by niff on Nov 13, 2013 15:54:17 GMT
You are not addressing 'bottom line' which is: Mandating AKA legally forcing some one to buy something they do not want is unconstitutional.
America was founded on the principle of 'freedom'. 'Freedom' means everyone is free to purchase insurance or not.
The 'poor' never have to worry about having insurance. If they get sick they walk into the hospital and the law requires someone to do the best they can to cure the person.
The 'rich' can afford to buy insurance policies so they are sorted. It those in the middle who ought to be free to buy insurance or not. Young healthy people aren't flocking to the insurance companies. This is the demographic that Obama wants to foot the bill for something they aren't going to need for perhaps decades. It's Socialism. It's who Obama is.
Obamacare is a wonderful 'low hanging fruit' for 'Anon' etc. Wait until the hackers start fooling around with the site. The very people Obama must have to make the Rube Goldberg scheme work aren't going anywhere near the site/s. They'll figure out how to 'low-ball' their income (this is an ongoing endemic problem for the tax collector) and pay the 1% fine no problem. You wait and see.
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Post by niff on Nov 13, 2013 16:02:27 GMT
Trouble is the 'up number' is from those who think he's doing a terrible job. While the 'down numbers' are from those who think he's doing a great job. Look at both numbers and you are looking at a failed Presidency by any measure. Who now in their right mind would begin to think in their wildest dreams that some 'miracle' will transcend all of Obama's incompetencies and by the time he has shuffled off back to where he's most at home IE 'Chicagoland' his positive number will be even close to forty %? www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspxHow can you possibly know? And when you look at the Republican madmen, obviously no sane person would even kick them for fear of infection. By the time Obama packs up his golf clubs and Camels his approval number will be near 30%. He only has nine points to get there. Esra Kline wrote today that it was actually Clinton's fault that Obama had to lie. Let the West Coast verses East Coast DEM civil war begin! HA HA! The least best kept secret in the DEM party is the fact that the DEM civil war within the party has been going on for years and it's about as bloody politically as the war between the Bloods and the Crips |
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 13, 2013 16:03:41 GMT
Trouble is the 'up number' is from those who think he's doing a terrible job. While the 'down numbers' are from those who think he's doing a great job. Look at both numbers and you are looking at a failed Presidency by any measure. Who now in their right mind would begin to think in their wildest dreams that some 'miracle' will transcend all of Obama's incompetencies and by the time he has shuffled off back to where he's most at home IE 'Chicagoland' his positive number will be even close to forty %? www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspxHow can you possibly know? And when you look at the Republican madmen, obviously no sane person would even kick them for fear of infection.
For example President Obama was judged negatively for the terrorist attack on Benghazi that he really had nothing to do with. The President doesn't make decisions on security arrangements at specific outposts where the US has a presence. That role and responsibility is delegated to someone else. Even the "talking points" after the attack didn't originate in the White House or even the State Department but instead originated with the CIA that was trying to cover up the covert nature of the Benghazi outpost that had no actual diplomatic functions to begin with.
President Obama's number are also dropping because of the political obstructionism in Congress by House Republicans. No matter what the President proposes the "Tea Party" House Republicans are against it and block it. It's not like Americans aren't aware of this which is why the approval rating of the "Tea Party" Republicans is really in the toilet even when compared to Obama's declining approval rating.
The President can't control the votes of Congress but he is still held accountable by the American People for the failures of Congress. That doesn't imply that the American People are ignorant of those actually responsible though because we see where the blame really falls based upon the political opinion polls that address all of government.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 13, 2013 16:06:56 GMT
You are not addressing 'bottom line' which is: Mandating AKA legally forcing some one to buy something they do not want is unconstitutional. America was founded on the principle of 'freedom'. 'Freedom' means everyone is free to purchase insurance or not. |
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Post by niff on Nov 13, 2013 16:12:40 GMT
The Clintons and their camp LOATH Obama and his band of Chicagoland thugs. Watch Bill throw Obama under the bus. He's already started to. By the time Hillary gets the nomination you won't see or hear a peep from Obama or any of his henchmen. No more Chris Matthews peeing his pants over Obama. MSNBC will, the day after the 014 elections basically forget who Obama is. It will be 110% 'wall-to-wall' coverage of 'Miss Hillary'.
'The First Black President' was more help to the Black community, if doing almost nothing to help them as Clinton did is better than doing absolutely nothing to help them as in Obama's case.
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Post by ShivaTD on Nov 13, 2013 16:15:59 GMT
The 'poor' never have to worry about having insurance. If they get sick they walk into the hospital and the law requires someone to do the best they can to cure the person. Obamacare is a wonderful 'low hanging fruit' for 'Anon' etc. Wait until the hackers start fooling around with the site. The very people Obama must have to make the Rube Goldberg scheme work aren't going anywhere near the site/s. They'll figure out how to 'low-ball' their income (this is an ongoing endemic problem for the tax collector) and pay the 1% fine no problem. You wait and see.
The second statement is about people that are going to be engaged in criminal activities and that is hardly a valid argument. Committing fraud or illegally hacking of government websites are criminal activities for law enforcement to address.
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